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what is up guys ryan sprague here from

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somewhere in the skies and welcome to my

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top 10. this is a very special live

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stream we're doing tonight to sort of

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cap off 2021 ring in 2022 and uh we're

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going to go through my top 10 most

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popular interviews of somewhere in the

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skies in 2021 i've got some really cool

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clips from each of those interviews i'm

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going to be sharing with you guys i'm

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gonna have some guests coming in to kind

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of do some commentary on the clips and

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who we talked to what's been

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accomplished in the past year with ufos

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and all that it's going to be super fun

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so first off i want to thank all of you

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for joining me tonight and uh taking

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part in this this is going to be fun um

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chat it up let me know what your

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favorite story of

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the year was with ufos your favorite

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podcasters ufo personalities we're gonna

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get those uh questions answered by our

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guests tonight as well um hello to mons

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awaiting aliens um more covey studios

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aaron disarro's here what's up erin um

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thanks for the support guys michelle

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michelle is here she's um i guess

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somewhat close to one of the guests

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we're going to have tonight but we'll

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get to that i'm lord ludacris plaid with

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a 199 super chat already thank you so

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much man um super chat and uh super

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sticker is open tonight if you want to

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help support the show get your comments

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highlighted your questions asks um yeah

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this is gonna be super fun um

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support the show on patreon as well if

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you would like um we got a ton of stuff

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going on over there i'm gonna pull up

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one thing before i bring in

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our guests two things two things really

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quick um do i even have it here yes i do

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so tonight guys if you are on twitter be

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sure you are following at somewhere

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skies that is the podcast twitter

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account i'm going to be giving away some

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free merch so when you go to our twitter

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account um there is the pinned tweet at

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the top and that is a link to this live

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stream you're watching right now so

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please retweet it share it like it and

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everyone who retweets that pinned tweet

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at the top of somewhere in the skies on

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twitter um will be put into a raffle to

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win a mug a signed book a t-shirt um

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your choice any merch you want from the

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summer in the sky store um so yeah go on

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over to twitter right now make sure

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you're following at summer skies and go

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ahead and retweet that pinned tweet

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right now um all right hello mr crowley

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steve g dope knows

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um everyone thank you again for joining

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me so without further ado i'm gonna

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bring in our first guest of the night

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you know him

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you love him some of you hate him which

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i think is impossible to do um so i'm

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gonna bring him in right now what is up

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my man louis

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it's definitely not impossible to hate

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me ryan

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that is clear as day

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you're somehow in the chat as well i

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love this you're so you can walk and

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talk at the same time which i can't do

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sometimes very rare what's happening

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everybody how you doing ryan thank you

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for having me man it's always a pleasure

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my pleasure to come hang out with you of

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course man and you've got a show coming

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up tonight as well so i'm not going to

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keep you too long um when when you're

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done watching somewhere in the skies or

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even halfway through head on over uh

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what are you doing tonight is this um

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part of your top ten yeah we're doing

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number two we're at number two and

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number two uh best interview of the year

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is going to john ramirez

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only because it's like one of our it is

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our most watched episode ever um so

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people really enjoyed it uh it was very

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controversial

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uh yeah i feel like half of i mean

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actually i mean like people really like

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like it's got 98 likes um most people

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that's a good ratio man but yeah it was

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like some people

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hated me some people hated rather they

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were like well why are you guys asking

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so many questions it's like what do you

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mean why are we asking so many questions

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there's some wild stuff being said

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and it's like it's tough sometimes

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absolutely crazy and you gotta be like

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whoa whoa whoa whoa wait a second wait a

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second let's stop right there

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detail of the thing that you just said

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people hate that it's just like

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well you know maybe we should be better

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we try to be i mean like we look

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compared to my first interviews compared

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am much much better at that but hey you

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know we learn live and learn oh yeah if

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you go back to my couple of my first

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episodes unbearable i i don't know how

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anyone listens to my show or started

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following me after that display but it

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is what it is man you live and learn

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yeah i'm unbearable now so i can i can

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totally relate well john ramirez awesome

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man that is a controversial one to say

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the least and that's kind of what we're

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going to be doing tonight is not going

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over controversy but uh my most

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downloaded interviews of this past year

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skies we don't just do interviews i do

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audio docs where i i get to kind of

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stretch my playwriting and screenwriting

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muscles and write a story and get it out

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there on a lot of these ufo cases and

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topics we also do witness accounts which

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is where people like you who have come

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on the show to tell your ufo stories um

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so those are not going to be featured

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tonight but i highly suggest anyone who

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hear me blab for an hour and a half

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about a ufo case um you got those and

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you've got the witness accounts episodes

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um but yeah we're going to be doing the

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top 10 tonight i hope you can um stick

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around for at least a few of those luis

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but um i want to talk some news if you

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don't mind before we get to the top ten

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um a lot has happened in just the past

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week or so yeah and you know i did my

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2021 uh wrap-up episode

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recently and um of course a lot happened

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kind of go through those with you and

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get your thoughts on some of this stuff

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if that's cool with you my man yeah

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let's do it cool uh ufo jane is here as

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well teleported to another show love it

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love it what's happening jane

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we'll see we'll see

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mr crowley says right it's too hard to

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pick a favorite bro couldn't do it oh

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that's very nice mr crowley thank you um

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well let's talk about kind of the big

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story that happened just yesterday

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unfortunately um we had the unfortunate

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passing of senator harry reid dead at

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82. i'm gonna read a little bit about

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this before we um i'm gonna play a quick

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video to luis um united states senator

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from nevada from 87 to 2017.

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harry reid led the senate democratic

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caucus and was the senate majority

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leader from 07 to 2015.

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in 2007 reid joined colleagues ted

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stevens um and daniel inuit to invest 22

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million dollars in a clan stein pentagon

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operation that would be called atip the

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program we all know and love and we'll

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debate till the end of time um the

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program investigated military reports of

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ufos in other inexplicable area objects

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so harry reid

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one of the people who really got things

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yeah how did the news hit you and um

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yeah any any words you want to say on mr

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the middle of one of our replays uh the

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other day i think it was uh

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yeah it wasn't yeah was it yesterday no

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it was the day before um

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and yeah i mean it's it sucks it sucks

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um i mean i i do know you know he lived

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a fruitful life

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the topic of ufos

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so much so that he secured

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i go down

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for sure in the in the history books uh

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if this turns out to be you know

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something that changes uh shifts a

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uh to this topic um

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and funding and a lot more research and

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and to see what's happening and i i mean

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baby steph's man well you mentioned um

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you know the work that has to be done

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so if you don't mind i'm gonna play this

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quick clip here from mysterywire excuse

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me no this was um from klas

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in las vegas with george knapp

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interviewing senator harry reid so i'm

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going to play that really quick

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and we'll come back on the other side

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there's an area that is important to not

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only our country but to the world

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that other countries are doing

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more than we're doing and i think that

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that's not good

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there are those who think we're on the

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edge of disclosure that any day now

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they're going to open up the doors and

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show us the saucers or open the files

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i'm not as encouraged what about you

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that i think we need to do a little work

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and we're not doing enough scientific

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and there are people

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hungry to do that we have academics who

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are trained in all the sciences

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a grant to a college would be a

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tremendous help have you had

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conversations with colleagues about the

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wisdom of letting all this loose is the

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public ready for it

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depends on what it is i guess i don't

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think that congress can make this

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decision on their own

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they could try to pass a law but that

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would create a lot more problems that

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would solve because a big public debate

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on this i don't think the stage would do

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a lot of good

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pentagon

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needs to get somebody within the

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pentagon that's willing to do something

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yeah i love that last statement he made

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because i don't remember exactly when

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that interview was but since then um if

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he could only you know see where we

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might be heading he did get to see a lot

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of what's happening the uap task force

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coming into fruition the report um but

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even he has said it's not enough he

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wants congressional hearings he wants

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this thing hammered into

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uh government in a proactive way of

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trying to discover and uncover what's

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actually going on um so yeah man any

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last words on mr reed before we move on

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to our next

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well just that and those statements came

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from a man that

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you know punched his father-in-law in

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the face

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you know because

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he didn't know that he wouldn't let

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he wouldn't let him date his daughter

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and turned out he ended up marrying his

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daughter and that was uh you know

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condolences to his family and friends

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and people that knew him and i'm i'm

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just so

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i was i was the first i'll be honestly

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and i don't know if this is natural or

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not but like the first thing i thought

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about was me i was like man i'm bummed

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out i didn't get to talk to him ever

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in person yeah you know like i would

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have loved to have spoken with him and

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and and sean rash and

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and max moscowitz were i think the last

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two interviews that he that's crazy and

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after i saw their interviews i was like

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well i don't

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you know why why bother him he's he's

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just answered some really great

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questions i don't have any new questions

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to ask him because he's you know he's

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very restrained when it comes to the

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ufos and that's what i mean like it's

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funny he he was not a very restrainful

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senator he went after what he believed

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in he pursued it he

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usually successfully

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administered it

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and got the votes for it um including

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you know asap and a tip

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and so but it's funny how just how

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restrained he was he's like we're we're

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we are a long ways away from seeing

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craft and bodies you know there's so

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many other things that have to happen

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and yeah i mean he's he set the path

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you know he started the course which is

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cool

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yeah i love it i love it um well let's

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move on to

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uncharted territories if if i may for

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just a moment we had a very awesome

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thing happen this past week and that was

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the launch of the james webb telescope

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uh so the james webb telescope will rock

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it into the cosmos in orbit nearly one

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million miles away from earth the

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telescope will spend five to ten years

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studying the formation of the universe's

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earliest galaxies how they compare to

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today's galaxies how our solar system

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develop and of course the one we all

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want to know if there is life on other

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planets um were you able to catch any of

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the the launch or anything louise i

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caught the replay of it yeah it was

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exciting you know it was it was super

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early for me i think it was like i think

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it the the launch time was like five

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something in the morning oh you're right

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i always forget you're on the west coast

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yeah i wasn't gonna i don't yeah i mean

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i just couldn't man um

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but i saw the replay and and there's

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still some steps that it has to go

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through to get into its final sort of

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process but i heard this morning

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one of the good things is that

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the

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i guess however it powers itself was

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originally only supposed to last for

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five years and because the launch was so

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successful it actually doubled it to 10

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years so they'll be able to use the

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telescope for 10 full years and then i

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mean my first thought was like well wait

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a second this thing was only supposed to

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last for five years that's it that's the

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only time we get to use this telescope

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how's that possible

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maybe that information's wrong i don't

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know i got it off to you i don't know i

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think you're right i think a lot of

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people a lot of the energy that is

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probably used to get this thing out

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there is within the first few hours of

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getting it into space and everything

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yeah so i could understand if everything

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went according to plan um that they did

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have those back-up plans of conserving

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the energy to move it further out so ten

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years uh still doesn't seem like enough

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to me but um it's better than nothing i

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um i i thought it was pretty cool i

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actually have a small clip of um when it

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got out into outer space and started to

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um

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to actually detach and like we did with

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the mars rover landing on your show um i

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just felt the emotion when they when it

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finally happened and we they caught that

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on camera so i'm gonna play that really

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quick right here if you don't mind yeah

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go for it

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cool we'll begin to uh be followed

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carefully by the telescope controllers

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at the mission operations uh center the

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mock as it's called at the space

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the upper stage continues to function

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perfectly it's been a smooth ride for

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the james webb space telescope

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that upper stage was loaded pre-flight

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this morning with 15 tons of propellant

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for this long 16 minute burn

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now about 30 seconds away from upper

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just over a minute from now springs will

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gently push webb away from the upper

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stage of the ariane 5.

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as it moves further and further away

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from the upper stage there'll be what

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we refer to as a collision avoidance

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separation web space telescope go web

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you do have confirmation of observatory

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separation

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the james webb space telescope amidst

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applause here in the mission control

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center

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now taking its first steps in pursuit of

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ah i love that man that that hd camera

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better than mine i can tell you that

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much

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okay all right

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if i'm gonna sound crazy here but is

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that a cgi recreation of what we're what

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we're supposed to be seeing someone said

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that in the chat here flareon because

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there's so many different camera angles

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that are so close to it

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it seems okay nasa recently posted the

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real video yeah i don't think that's

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real it's the the graph on the lower uh

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right uh left-hand corner

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that gives you the orbit of it is real

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but i don't think that's what they were

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seeing

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from the mock that's the the mission uh

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something center of cam uh control

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administration

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i don't know um

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but whatever that uh that you know the

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control the control center essentially

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yeah what you said um it doesn't make

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sense that we would be getting all those

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angles so i'm pretty sure that's cgi but

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damn i was thinking in my head

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whoo

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we are so close today i'm able to tell

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the difference between what we're

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looking at um but i'm curious do you

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think that was at the actual footage of

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it because the way they the way they

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framed

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like the nasa and the live and what

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we're looking it made it seem as if oh

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this is actually the satellite

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am i crazy

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am i or is that cgi everybody now that

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you're mentioning it you're probably

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right i mean aaron said it jazz said it

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um they posted the real video on nasa

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i don't know but that's but that's the

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replay i saw too and and and for that i

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was like man i kind of

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i kind of want to see the real thing

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right even if it's like grainy or

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whatever yeah

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but that and that's a big you know

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theory on the moon landing that like

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yeah they staged it to sh like make it

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clear and if anything really went wrong

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and um the real videos out there

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somewhere might exist who knows but i

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we're not getting into moon landing

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conspiracy territory

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like you said man like nowadays anything

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anything can be deep faked or cgi so who

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knows who knows yeah have you seen that

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cj that deep fake tom cruise ah it's

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terrifying

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yeah it's hilarious hilarious though

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yeah yeah that guy's pretty good and

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you know you have deep fakes too going

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on now you and the whole crew

501
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yeah yeah but not like like that is a

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whole other level of deep fake like that

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is like

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oh we could do this with the president

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kind of fake

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right you know for dignitary um

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scary times man but exciting times too i

508
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can't wait to see what this

509
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this telescope accomplishes this could

510
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be it we could we could finally maybe

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get the answers we sought um for so long

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or are seeking i should say um but yeah

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yeah yeah uh aaron said i sent you the

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link on twitter so aaron put that on my

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twitter account if anyone wants to see

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the real one uh well they also um this

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is also the the

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farthest

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telescope that we've ever said in orbit

520
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correct correct yeah it goes deepest in

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the space do you know what the distance

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is that it goes to oh gosh no i did not

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mark that down oh somebody in the chat

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will tell us but i mean that's also

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really cool too i thought that was just

526
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another cool little statistic

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nearly one million miles away it's

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planning on going so wow i don't know

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yeah well pretty good the i know that i

530
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think it still has to go

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is it completely stretched out yet

532
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because i know those the mirrors on it

533
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can't be off by it's literally less than

534
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a width of a hair not one mirror can be

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off

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that's crazy i was like dude how do they

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do that you know like with all that

538
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rumbling in a rocket i don't care what

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you're having on the width of a hair

540
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that can't be off by the width of a hair

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yeah no wonder these people are like

542
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under so much stress

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during the lunch the launch is always

544
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the hardest part um yeah well this is

545
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not even so much they got through the i

546
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thought the launch was the hardest part

547
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but it's really the setting it up

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like

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you mentioned diagnostics making sure

550
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:03,280
that it works

551
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:05,840
right you mentioned the forms um this

552
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:07,679
has been called the transformer because

553
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:09,840
it is going to go through many different

554
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:12,640
forms to get to its final optimus prime

555
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:15,200
i guess right whatever that thing was

556
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:18,080
you know in power rangers when all their

557
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:21,120
things came together megatron

558
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:23,120
wasn't megatron though i think i have

559
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:25,360
things confused that's not the uh it's

560
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:26,559
uh

561
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:28,640
i don't know yeah all those shows blend

562
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:30,960
together man they really do ragers yeah

563
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,000
voltron power ultra super human samurai

564
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,480
cyber squad yeah yeah

565
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:38,400
they are so ready they all

566
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:40,960
blend together at this at this age

567
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:43,039
it's already past the moon mr carly says

568
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:44,320
that's awesome

569
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:45,840
they gotta stop on the moon see what's

570
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:47,760
going on there

571
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:48,960
that'd be sweet

572
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:52,320
voltron awesome um well let's get to our

573
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:54,159
last news story before we get into the

574
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:57,120
top 10 my man um this was

575
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:58,320
the bill

576
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:00,000
president biden

577
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:03,440
signs us's new ufo investigation unit

578
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:06,480
into law as part of the 770

579
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,600
billion defense bill um the legislation

580
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:11,360
requires the unit to report back to

581
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:13,120
congress the findings in annual and

582
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:16,720
bi-annual briefings and reports um what

583
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:18,960
else here it'll probe whether or not the

584
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:20,559
strange craft that have been reported

585
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:23,360
buzzing u.s military

586
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,520
bases and locations are unknown

587
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:27,919
technology from russia and china or

588
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:30,960
potentially something far more exotic

589
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:34,320
there will also be briefings

590
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:35,039
to

591
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:36,559
kind of assess this and they're also

592
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:38,080
going to be looking into health related

593
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:41,679
effects and um and stuff like that so

594
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:44,320
here we go it's signed into law official

595
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,480
megazord was the name

596
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:48,400
magazine

597
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:51,760
yeah thank you terry um good job i do i

598
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:54,400
think this uh we're in new waters right

599
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:56,080
now um

600
00:23:58,350 --> 00:23:57,520
we're gonna have to wait and see i mean

601
00:24:02,390 --> 00:23:58,360
a

602
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:02,400
yep

603
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,799
you would think and jazz predicted this

604
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:06,159
on the show

605
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:07,919
almost a month ago

606
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:13,909
you'd think you'd get at least a billion

607
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:17,120
of that 770 billion dollar budget

608
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:18,480
at least

609
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,960
and that would be over

610
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,720
i'm thinking a multi-year period don't

611
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:24,720
know how many three to four three to

612
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:26,080
five maybe

613
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:29,039
um i don't know exactly but

614
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:30,799
it's a hell of a lot more than 20

615
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:33,039
million for five years

616
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:34,799
yeah this would be for like 20 billion

617
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:36,960
for five years or one billion for five

618
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:39,840
years excuse me right so stretch thin

619
00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:40,799
yeah

620
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:44,840
stretched in this would have a

621
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:46,880
legitimate budget

622
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:49,039
oh right yes you know if it was a

623
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,760
billion which and it could be up to

624
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:53,760
three

625
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:55,919
which would be wild you know imagine if

626
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:58,159
we get a three billion dollar

627
00:25:01,909 --> 00:25:00,480
um ufo office

628
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:01,919
so

629
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,400
can you demystify this for me because i

630
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:06,720
can plainly admit i haven't really

631
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:10,240
looked too far into um you know what the

632
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,120
gillibrand amendment uh accomplished but

633
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,600
are we looking at two separate

634
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:17,919
offices yeah well you've got the aoi

635
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,159
you've got the aoi msg

636
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:22,400
right from the pentagon side of things

637
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,720
and kathleen hicks

638
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:26,400
and then you've got

639
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,440
uh the congressional approved ndaa the

640
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:31,440
national defense authorization act that

641
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:34,480
has a budget now for ufo office that

642
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,400
hasn't been named yet the budget hasn't

643
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,480
been given yet it's just literally been

644
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:40,320
signed into law so we should start

645
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,440
seeing

646
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:43,440
proposals for budget where the office is

647
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:44,480
going to be

648
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:47,360
um what what their

649
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:49,840
the scope of their powers will be who's

650
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:51,120
going to be in the office who's going to

651
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:52,880
be the spokesperson who's going to be

652
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:54,559
the press per like this is going to have

653
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:57,840
a legitimate it should at least

654
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,720
have

655
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:00,640
a legitimate

656
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,440
sort of um structure to it so there's

657
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:05,279
gonna be two offices

658
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:07,120
that's how you get two offices so i mean

659
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:07,919
like

660
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,960
for me that's great yeah

661
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:12,480
i mean people are afraid that the

662
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:14,960
pentagon office isn't going to be as

663
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:16,480
transparent

664
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:17,360
okay

665
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:21,830
you know

666
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:23,679
that's we've got another office that we

667
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:25,760
could publicly hold accountable because

668
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:28,400
now we've given tax dollars to it

669
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:32,159
right exactly yeah and and the people in

670
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:33,840
the government will be held accountable

671
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,799
as well so yeah i think it's great um

672
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,640
biden signed the bill good vibes um

673
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:40,799
there was a question here oh terry said

674
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:42,640
should we contacted our senators for a

675
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:44,960
bigger budget is that something uh you

676
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:47,200
want to take the lead on louis i mean i

677
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:50,880
don't know coming here i don't know

678
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,720
i don't know that's a good question i

679
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:54,960
don't know if it's necessary i think

680
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:57,200
that's going to be determined

681
00:27:01,590 --> 00:27:00,240
as as an important sort of role like

682
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:01,600
they're going to look i mean you're

683
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,760
talking about uh

684
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:05,200
you know i think

685
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,000
3 000 page bill it's insane it's it's a

686
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:10,320
large large bill maybe even bigger than

687
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:11,600
that and

688
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:12,559
it's

689
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:17,039
all of the budget for the entire

690
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:19,840
military so everything you know the cups

691
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:22,240
the pencils the pens the mops the

692
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,600
wrenches the

693
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:26,080
the plate all of it all of it

694
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,360
so um

695
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:29,600
so yeah you know it it's gonna be a

696
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:31,840
level of importance thing but don't be

697
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:33,200
surprised

698
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:34,480
you know if you get three to five

699
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:36,799
billion you know i think i think some of

700
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:39,360
the lower budgeted things in the ndaa

701
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:41,520
and in the time frame that you could go

702
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:43,120
back and historically look at it all of

703
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:46,840
the lower budget programs get about that

704
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:48,240
yeah good point

705
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:50,000
you know don't be shocked if it turns

706
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:51,919
out to be something around there yeah

707
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:53,840
we're at the table you know i'm sure i'm

708
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,799
sure if jazz comes he'll

709
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,720
he'll i'm sure fill you in a lot better

710
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:01,200
than i can but uh yeah i'm gonna get his

711
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,960
thoughts on that for sure he's in the

712
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:05,039
chat here as well let's see what he said

713
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,720
as of this morning there will be one

714
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:08,720
office but it will be

715
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:11,120
aoi msg but the gila bearing creation

716
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:12,720
will absorb it

717
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:14,960
interesting

718
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:17,919
um see i heard i saw this

719
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:19,440
um

720
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,200
d.d johnson is breaking the news about

721
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:23,760
it today okay i gotta look at that i saw

722
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:25,919
something about that and i was waiting

723
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:28,000
for dede johnson to

724
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,080
to confirm it and

725
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:34,000
hmm that's interesting if the gillibrand

726
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:35,840
amendment absorbs then that means it's

727
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:38,480
no longer in the hands of the pentagon

728
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,480
right now in the hands of the pentagon

729
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:42,159
because from my understanding and when

730
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:45,840
we were talking is that both of these

731
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:47,679
offices have

732
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:50,399
no jurisdiction over one of them one the

733
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:52,960
one or the other so

734
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:54,880
that's how they're melded into one

735
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:57,600
that's yeah that concerns me i mean a

736
00:29:01,990 --> 00:28:59,600
part of me is like oh that could be good

737
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:02,000
because the stuff in the amendment um

738
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,159
could hold them accountable for

739
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:06,720
doing much more getting much more out

740
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:08,480
but at the same time are they being

741
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,399
absorbed so that then whatever

742
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:13,200
gillibrand wanted won't happen now that

743
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:16,240
it's part of the aoi msg i it's it's so

744
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,640
confusing man and i feel like everything

745
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:20,480
gets confusing

746
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:22,000
yeah that's right i mean like it's

747
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:23,919
breaking news we don't have the details

748
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:27,039
on it yet but my my my understanding as

749
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,640
when it was signed there was two

750
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:30,080
separate offices

751
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:31,600
right um but now

752
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:32,720
you know it seems like they're going to

753
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:35,600
be melded into one i mean you know we'll

754
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:36,640
see

755
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,799
says yeah we'll definitely get his

756
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:42,000
thoughts on that

757
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:45,039
um awesome man um oh one more question

758
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:45,840
here

759
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,159
you might be able to answer um did they

760
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:50,240
include annual unclassified reports in

761
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:52,480
the final version i believe they did

762
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:54,320
there will be a report every october

763
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:57,039
right october 31st right above every

764
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:58,080
year

765
00:30:01,350 --> 00:30:00,000
awesome hey okay there'll be four

766
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:01,360
congressional

767
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,559
uh

768
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:03,840
um

769
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:05,679
classified congressional

770
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:07,039
um

771
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,840
hearings or not hearing quotes

772
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:11,760
but discussions yeah

773
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:14,159
right right right this will not be

774
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:15,440
unfortunately we'll get there

775
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:17,440
congressional hearings will come down

776
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,679
the pipe um all right my man well let's

777
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:21,840
do it let's get into the top 10

778
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,399
interviews on somewhere in the skies um

779
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:26,640
i know the time is winding down for you

780
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:30,080
to be with us so let's go right into um

781
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:39,990
we have got at number 10 this is episode

782
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:43,760
218 of somewhere in the skies ufos 2021

783
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:46,720
part two with christina gomez um

784
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:48,799
christina gomez of the debrief joined us

785
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:51,360
to talk about some of her favorite ufo

786
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:54,399
cases of the ancient past including one

787
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:57,120
from japan in 1803

788
00:31:03,110 --> 00:30:59,760
so this was pretty cool and this cases

789
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:03,120
possible connections to other cases in

790
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:05,120
modern ufology so i'm going to go ahead

791
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:06,960
luis and play a small clip here and get

792
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:14,070
in february 22nd of 1803

793
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:17,919
this really strange looking boat

794
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:20,480
washed ashore in japan in the hitachi

795
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:22,240
province

796
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,120
and

797
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:25,120
it was something that these fishermen at

798
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:27,360
the time had never seen before it was

799
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:29,360
disc shaped vessel you know it had

800
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:32,640
windows it had metal bands below it and

801
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:35,039
it looked kind of like

802
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:37,919
like a like a rice bowl in in a sense

803
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:40,320
like a rice pit so that's the best way

804
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:41,919
they could describe it is because they

805
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:44,240
have that already in their country a

806
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:45,840
rice pit otherwise how else would you

807
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:48,159
describe it if you don't know what it is

808
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:49,519
so

809
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:50,480
when

810
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:55,600
landed on shore um

811
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:58,159
they saw inside of it that there were

812
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:00,880
these really strange

813
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:03,039
writings etched in the wall like very

814
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:05,679
unusual fabric never seen before in

815
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:08,960
japan at this time bed sheets carpet but

816
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:12,080
there's also a passenger on this on this

817
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:13,519
ship a young

818
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,960
beautiful woman she had red hair

819
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,039
pale pink skin

820
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,080
red eyebrows and she wore

821
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:25,200
a long garment made of a material that

822
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,159
again wasn't known to these japanese

823
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,149
what's so fascinating about this story

824
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:36,480
is this woman we're like oh maybe maybe

825
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:38,559
she could have been japanese but red

826
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:39,440
hair

827
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:42,720
was not a thing in japan having pink

828
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:44,480
collared skin

829
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:46,880
is still not a thing anywhere in the

830
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:49,120
world so when these fishermen try to

831
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:50,640
speak to her in japanese she didn't

832
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:53,039
understand what they were saying and

833
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:55,679
they were so frightened of this woman

834
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,120
because they didn't they didn't want to

835
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,360
have bad luck right they're more they

836
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:01,919
were more superstitious at this time

837
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:05,760
and what later on from the writings in

838
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:07,039
several books that were only written

839
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:10,480
about 20 years later after this incident

840
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:11,919
they believed

841
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:14,240
symbols that were etched in the wall in

842
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:16,640
this rice pit craft

843
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:19,279
could also be compared to some of the

844
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:22,640
alien symbols from roswell new mexico

845
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,640
how credible is that we don't know we

846
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:26,559
don't have the craft but from what was

847
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:29,120
documented in the three books that were

848
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,039
written about this utsuru bune incident

849
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,760
those researchers that went back to it

850
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:37,360
from like present-day researchers that

851
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:38,880
went back to

852
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:42,480
this 1803 story were able to somehow

853
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:44,559
find a correlation between the roswell

854
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:49,120
incident and that one in japan again

855
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:51,039
we don't really know it's all

856
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:53,600
speculation but i find that really

857
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:55,360
fascinating all together that from

858
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:56,399
something

859
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:00,000
somehow

860
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:02,000
be stitched stitched into one of the

861
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:10,069
all right so that was number 10 we had

862
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:12,720
christina gomez and what an interesting

863
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:15,520
story i'd heard about this japan case um

864
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:17,839
but i didn't know the specifics of you

865
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:19,520
know what would act what was actually

866
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,240
seen and how it was interpreted um and

867
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:24,000
we have someone in the chat here effie

868
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:25,919
privette saying this reoccurring pyramid

869
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,399
with circle symbols are interesting and

870
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:30,720
confusing so yeah this was a really fun

871
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,040
interview um christina was kind of new

872
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:35,520
on the scene at the time she was so

873
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:37,839
nervous to like be on the show and i

874
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:40,079
told her like i'm just as nervous as you

875
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:42,879
are i'm nervous right now doing this man

876
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:45,440
and i i always am it never gets easier

877
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:48,079
for me and i'm an i'm an actor like you

878
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:50,000
like i've been that's why i'm spreading

879
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:51,679
thousands of people

880
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,599
i'm surprised that you you you do still

881
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:55,599
get nervous when you do these shows that

882
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:57,839
is a little surprising i i think it's my

883
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:00,240
self-esteem um and i just take it as

884
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:03,040
like energy and like excitement and it

885
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:04,560
kind of gets me more

886
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:07,119
more uh passionate i guess um if i'm not

887
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:09,520
like vomiting before i come out on stage

888
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:10,240
or

889
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:13,119
on onto these streams but um wow that

890
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,040
really went on a tangent what did you

891
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,280
think about um christina's

892
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:19,280
comments there on the case and

893
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:20,960
do you think there could be connections

894
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:23,680
with cases in like the ancient times and

895
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,040
today

896
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:27,359
um first thing i thought about was damn

897
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:29,440
she's such a good researcher

898
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:31,119
like she's right that's the first thing

899
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,720
that popped in my head and and um

900
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:36,480
and she doesn't get enough credit when

901
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,440
she goes into cases like that uh and how

902
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:41,520
well she researches them

903
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:43,440
um

904
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:46,480
yeah i think there definitely is

905
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,359
i don't know if it's a connection but

906
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:51,760
um i think there are it wouldn't shock

907
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:53,359
me if there were more

908
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:54,400
ancient

909
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,870
i mean we've

910
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:00,880
we've sort of seen and heard from them

911
00:36:03,180 --> 00:36:02,960
especially on ancient aliens but

912
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:03,190
um

913
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,400
[Music]

914
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:06,400
but uh

915
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:07,920
but yeah i mean

916
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:13,510
i guess one of two things sort of

917
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:15,760
happening there

918
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:18,960
i mean but to find an occupant that's

919
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:21,680
the thing that sort of sticks out too is

920
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,079
a red-haired occupant and she does bring

921
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:26,480
up the really good point of red hair is

922
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:29,920
not a thing in japan even now

923
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,960
like let alone pinkish sort of skin

924
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:34,640
um

925
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:36,960
so it's interesting it's cool it's very

926
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,000
very cool

927
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:40,560
to me it seemed like

928
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,800
how they interpreted it and like what

929
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:44,640
came to mind for me is like was this

930
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,400
some sort of like

931
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:48,079
vessel from like

932
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,480
ireland like that when i imagine red

933
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:52,400
hair i'm like oh yeah you mean literally

934
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,359
everyone in ireland or yeah you know in

935
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:57,920
that area um i don't know we'll never

936
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:00,160
truly know but the fact that like the

937
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:02,800
symbols kind of coincided with symbols

938
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:05,520
found on the roswell wreckage or even in

939
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:08,320
the um on the craft at rendelsham forest

940
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:09,599
in 1980

941
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:11,839
that really does make me wonder are we

942
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:13,839
just kind of making patterns out of

943
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,359
things that aren't

944
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:17,200
really there or

945
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:18,560
have these

946
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:22,320
craft with unknown pilots of origin like

947
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:24,079
been visiting us for centuries and

948
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:25,680
centuries i don't know but it was a

949
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:28,560
fascinating discussion we we really ran

950
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:30,880
the gamut on that one everything from

951
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:33,359
ancient aliens to you know christopher

952
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:36,000
columbus even seeing a ufo right before

953
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,760
he got to the new world and what could

954
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,839
that mean were they kind of guiding him

955
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:41,920
i don't know um but yeah yeah it was a

956
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,880
fascinating topic and um discussion so

957
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:46,480
if anyone wants to check that one out

958
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:48,320
it's at um

959
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,160
number 218 in the archives it's

960
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:52,560
somewhere in the skies and um before we

961
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,320
get to the next one man um i just want

962
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:56,160
to let everyone know who's watching

963
00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:59,280
right now um go to at summer skies on

964
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:02,400
twitter and retweet the pinned tweet at

965
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:04,880
the top um that is the tweet for this

966
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:07,040
live stream and uh you'll be put into a

967
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:08,960
raffle to win some sweets somewhere in

968
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:11,680
the skies merch um or a signed book of

969
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:13,760
somewhere in the skies as well and also

970
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:15,760
the super chat and super stickers are

971
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:17,839
open if you want to help the show out um

972
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,720
portions of those uh super chats today

973
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:22,560
will go to the women's refugee

974
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:24,480
commission here in new york city who

975
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:27,920
help help misplaced youth and women um

976
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:29,599
who are having a hard time making new

977
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:31,760
lives in america so yeah if you want to

978
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:33,680
help them out and help out the show

979
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:37,359
super sticker super chat is open um and

980
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:39,680
yeah i guess anything else you want to

981
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,400
bring up about um miss christina gomez

982
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:44,320
one of our newest ufo researchers before

983
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:46,880
we move on hmm

984
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:48,880
she likes ramen she

985
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:51,119
dude she came out with her first article

986
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:53,359
at the debrief today and it's about

987
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:56,079
ramen it makes perfect sense now

988
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:57,440
yep

989
00:39:02,069 --> 00:38:59,520
yeah she's a she's a gem

990
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:02,079
yep she's awesome well this next person

991
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,520
is a gem as well um i love this guy i

992
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,960
don't know if you caught this interview

993
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:09,040
man this was a really

994
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:10,720
really interesting one i want to make

995
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:13,119
sure i have this in order right yes i do

996
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:20,069
so

997
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:24,880
i had a special agent in former afosi

998
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,200
agent on the show former fbi um who told

999
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:31,599
some of the craziest stories i've ever

1000
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:35,280
heard about things he uh experienced um

1001
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,359
and his name was walter bosley i'm going

1002
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:39,440
to give a little brief the thing here we

1003
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,920
talked about his career with the fbi and

1004
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:43,920
air force office of ins of special

1005
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:46,240
investigations the crazy journey he went

1006
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:47,599
on as he climbed the levels of

1007
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:51,359
classification ufos and his prospectors

1008
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:54,079
perspectives on richard dodie who held a

1009
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,800
similar position as walter did within

1010
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,560
the air force um

1011
00:40:01,670 --> 00:40:00,480
so i don't know were you able to catch

1012
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:01,680
this one at all this is one of my

1013
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:04,160
longest episodes i think it's possible

1014
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,960
if i

1015
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:06,000
did

1016
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:07,839
because i've watched a lot of stuff this

1017
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:09,440
year but i feel like if you play it

1018
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:11,680
oliver if i recognize a person then i'll

1019
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:13,599
know if i i saw let's do it i'm going to

1020
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:15,119
go right into the clip with walter

1021
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:16,880
bosley this is him talking about richard

1022
00:40:21,309 --> 00:40:19,040
dodie um for those of you who don't know

1023
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:21,319
he is former afo is

1024
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,319
afosi as well and he did some really

1025
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:26,880
shady stuff back in the 80s um with this

1026
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:28,800
guy named paul benowitz who was

1027
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:30,880
reporting that he was seeing ufos over

1028
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:33,680
an air force base and instead of like

1029
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:37,040
kind of brushing it off uh the air force

1030
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:39,680
sent this guy out richard doty to mess

1031
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:41,359
with this guy and like literally

1032
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:43,839
scrambled his brain until he was like

1033
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:46,560
insane and paranoid beyond comprehension

1034
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:49,359
all to keep national security safe

1035
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:51,599
because this guy benowitz had uncovered

1036
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:52,400
like

1037
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,599
secret

1038
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:55,280
i think it was like transmissions or

1039
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:57,200
codes that the air force base was using

1040
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,079
and the nsa was using so they kind of

1041
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:02,160
like fed him all this alien stuff and

1042
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,760
said like there's an invasion coming

1043
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:05,040
like to the point where the guy had to

1044
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:07,119
be you know put into like

1045
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:10,079
a hospital a mental institution um so

1046
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:11,359
yeah i'm gonna play this right now

1047
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:14,079
walter bosley's thoughts on richard doty

1048
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:15,599
and what he thinks about that whole

1049
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,119
thing

1050
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:19,680
when i was a new agent with osi

1051
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:20,400
and

1052
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:23,280
um i was talking to my boss

1053
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:24,560
bosses

1054
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:25,680
about

1055
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:29,599
for our foreign agents using the

1056
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:31,920
american ufo community to get to our

1057
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:33,119
stuff

1058
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:35,119
richard doty for the first time i'd ever

1059
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,400
heard his name was brought up as a

1060
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:38,640
cautionary tale they said hey there was

1061
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:41,359
this agent agent richard doty who

1062
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:43,040
embarrassed the air force and pissed off

1063
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:45,680
headquarters and um so you've got to be

1064
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,880
careful with this ufo world stuff and i

1065
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:50,800
said oh absolutely

1066
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:54,240
you know my project had a definite focus

1067
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:55,920
that fit within

1068
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:57,839
national security directives it was

1069
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,400
aimed at foreign intelligence agents

1070
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:02,480
that kind of thing so it was it was very

1071
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:04,240
specific it had nothing to do with

1072
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,400
messing with americans you know lying to

1073
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,160
americans about anything i was totally

1074
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,480
looking at foreign nationals

1075
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:12,240
and uh he was brought up as the

1076
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:13,599
cautionary talent that was the first

1077
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:16,400
time i'd heard about him so

1078
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:19,440
you know over the years as um in my down

1079
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,280
time i would be

1080
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:23,200
you know looking at ufo stuff i would

1081
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:25,040
see the name pop up and then i learned

1082
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:26,800
you know i had learned about the heard

1083
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:28,880
about the benowitz thing and then in

1084
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:32,240
2004 um i met greg bishop at one of

1085
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:34,960
david childress's conferences in kempton

1086
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:37,920
yeah kempton illinois and we hit it off

1087
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:40,880
and at that time around that time um i

1088
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:43,520
read his uh book i think yeah it had

1089
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:46,400
come out in 03 or one anyway shortly

1090
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,880
after i met greg i read project beta

1091
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:50,400
and um

1092
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,480
it's like i told greg

1093
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,960
i said as far as dodie is concerned and

1094
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:56,880
as far as what happened

1095
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:57,920
with

1096
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:00,800
what happened

1097
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:02,319
i kind of

1098
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:05,200
reserve certain judgment

1099
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:06,880
because

1100
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:10,079
i nor anyone else in our community has

1101
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:11,440
seen

1102
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:13,040
the osi

1103
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:16,079
file on the whole bennowitz thing and as

1104
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:17,839
a former agent and somebody that's been

1105
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:21,920
in that business i know better than to

1106
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:24,160
cast judgment when i haven't seen that

1107
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:25,520
file because i guarantee you there's

1108
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:27,599
going to be things in there that people

1109
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,839
would find in lightning

1110
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,440
as regards

1111
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:33,599
osi and special agent doty and whatever

1112
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:36,400
it is he did or didn't do now that said

1113
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,000
you know when you read the book the

1114
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:40,480
bennowitz book there's obvious things in

1115
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:41,760
there that

1116
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,599
from the perspective of a former osi

1117
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:45,680
agent i looked at and thought

1118
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:47,359
geez what the

1119
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:49,200
you know what's going on but as i read

1120
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,240
it and learn more like most of you you

1121
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,720
know through greg's book but coming from

1122
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:56,480
my unique perspective of having been an

1123
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,520
insider

1124
00:44:02,470 --> 00:43:59,680
um i came away from that i told greg

1125
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,480
this years ago and i stand by this

1126
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:04,480
people always want to

1127
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:07,040
jump to dodie because they have a face

1128
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:10,720
and a name but i really came away

1129
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:12,640
convinced that the culprit in the

1130
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:19,190
yeah

1131
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:22,800
so that was crazy man um i and you know

1132
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,040
a lot of people this was one of my most

1133
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:27,280
contentious episodes a lot of people

1134
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:28,640
were like i don't believe a word this

1135
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:30,400
guy's saying i don't even think he

1136
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:32,560
worked for who he did i can say right

1137
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:36,640
now i vetted him extremely carefully all

1138
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,079
of his credentials checked out um and

1139
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:42,720
yeah yeah so it's like a almost a

1140
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:45,280
four-hour episode i think of his just

1141
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,680
crazy journey through all of this but

1142
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:49,920
yeah what did you think about um his

1143
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:52,640
thoughts on dodie and placing the blame

1144
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,880
on the nsa and not just this one man i

1145
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,359
mean he was just he was doing his job in

1146
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:59,760
one way as jody would say but a lot of

1147
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:02,000
people even elizondo have said he did

1148
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,520
not need to go that far and he was

1149
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:05,760
definitely working without you know

1150
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:07,920
outside of the purview of the nsa on

1151
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:11,119
doing this yeah what do you think man

1152
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:13,200
um

1153
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:15,280
i mean my first instinct was that it

1154
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:17,440
feels like the air force throwing shade

1155
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:18,880
at the nsa

1156
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:20,880
or at least maybe

1157
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:23,359
putting blame on a different

1158
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:26,160
part of the the uh

1159
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:26,880
the

1160
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:37,190
i've never heard anybody claim that

1161
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:39,040
dodie's not the person to blame although

1162
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:42,079
i i something did ring true about how he

1163
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:43,839
said

1164
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,319
that dodie is a person he's there he's

1165
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:48,480
you know he's an easy target uh for

1166
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:50,800
people to get upset with

1167
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:51,839
um

1168
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:53,680
but i mean

1169
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:56,000
he did say at the top of of his comments

1170
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:59,119
that that when he was

1171
00:46:01,829 --> 00:46:00,400
entering

1172
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:01,839
uh the

1173
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:04,720
the position that they used the dodi

1174
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,440
tail as a cautionary tale

1175
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:09,119
so

1176
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:10,800
i don't know he's interesting yeah it's

1177
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:12,480
almost like he's saying

1178
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:16,079
two things there yeah yeah i'm this you

1179
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:19,760
know and i can fully admit walter is a a

1180
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:22,160
friend of mine i have met him i've done

1181
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:25,280
conferences with him um i respect a lot

1182
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:28,079
of the information he brings forward uh

1183
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:30,960
but a lot of what he said you just gotta

1184
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:33,119
take at face value and he doesn't you

1185
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:35,359
know he doesn't fault anyone for that me

1186
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,319
especially um but i had him on to tell

1187
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:40,480
his story and uh people are still

1188
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,760
talking about it today a lot of people

1189
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:43,440
in the chat are like how did i miss this

1190
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:44,560
one

1191
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:46,240
and some people saying they believe him

1192
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:47,599
and some saying they don't believe a

1193
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:49,920
word well you know what i haven't seen

1194
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:51,040
that interview

1195
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,800
so i got to go back and watch it because

1196
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:54,480
that's piqued my interest on what i'm

1197
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:58,950
you want to hear one other thing he

1198
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:01,920
brought up that they that within one of

1199
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:04,400
the programs he worked in

1200
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,440
they would use um they would bring

1201
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:09,520
people back from the dead

1202
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,800
to interrogate them for information i'm

1203
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:14,319
not kidding you he brought that up in

1204
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:18,000
the interview and i i was like

1205
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:19,440
i didn't even know what to say at that

1206
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:20,480
point and then when he went a little

1207
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:22,480
further into it i'm like oh

1208
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:25,680
okay that kind of makes sense but yeah

1209
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:28,720
it was like uh you gotta listen

1210
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:31,119
it's um again for anyone who hasn't

1211
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:34,079
watched it and it's episode 219 in the

1212
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:37,040
archives well listen man um

1213
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:38,559
all these clips are like three minutes

1214
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:40,240
long we're getting down to you gotta go

1215
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:42,559
get ready for your show but there's two

1216
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:44,480
things i love from you before you go if

1217
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:47,599
you have just a couple more minutes um

1218
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:49,040
i want to know

1219
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:52,160
luis jimenez um what was your favorite

1220
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,160
ufo story of 2021 what was like the

1221
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,640
thing that made you think we made

1222
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,640
progress this year and we're headed in a

1223
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:02,400
good direction anything really stick out

1224
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:03,760
to you

1225
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:05,280
i mean there's a few things that stick

1226
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:08,559
out um i'm trying to figure my favorite

1227
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:10,559
one

1228
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,640
um

1229
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:14,400
i think the gillibrand amendment is

1230
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:16,480
probably my favorite thing

1231
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:17,440
uh

1232
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:21,920
because of the

1233
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:24,960
the detailed orientedness of it

1234
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,040
you know how how and

1235
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:30,240
how it really puts uh the power within

1236
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:32,000
the hands of this office whatever this

1237
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:34,720
office is gonna be um

1238
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:35,680
through

1239
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:37,040
budgets

1240
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:40,000
you know actually putting these the fbi

1241
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:42,240
the cia the nsa

1242
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:45,280
air force navy army like

1243
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:46,559
you guys have to hand over this

1244
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:49,119
information or we might start cutting

1245
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:50,880
some of your budget

1246
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,680
um

1247
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,119
money talks

1248
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:55,680
in in this in

1249
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:57,760
in this world and so nobody wants a

1250
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:01,200
budget cut so who knows man me um for me

1251
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:04,960
that was the most exciting thing is is a

1252
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:06,400
recognition

1253
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:07,200
and

1254
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,480
a law that was suggested

1255
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:12,960
that would encourage more information to

1256
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:14,000
come out

1257
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,880
about the the uap phenomena

1258
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:18,640
and

1259
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:22,319
down it's huge i love that it's huge

1260
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:24,079
yeah all right i'm putting you on the

1261
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:27,280
spot here to wrap things up um here at

1262
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:29,599
somewhere in the skies with you my man

1263
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:33,599
ufo researcher or ufo personality of the

1264
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:35,839
year i know you took part in a uh award

1265
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:38,240
show yesterday so i know awards are

1266
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,440
fresh on your mind yeah so who wins that

1267
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:43,440
was fun we should we should definitely

1268
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:44,960
give a shout out to our friends oh my

1269
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:47,119
gosh that one time

1270
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:50,480
yeah brie and jamie over there at that

1271
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,880
one time i was abducted that was my info

1272
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:54,400
one of the fun

1273
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:55,599
things

1274
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:58,240
yeah it was absolutely insane they

1275
00:50:01,990 --> 00:49:59,920
nailed it they killed it yeah it was

1276
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:02,000
funny it was pretty damn funny

1277
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:03,599
well here you go my man who are you

1278
00:50:08,610 --> 00:50:06,559
gonna put on that pedestal

1279
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:08,620
there's a couple of like um

1280
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:10,079
[Music]

1281
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:11,040
you know

1282
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:13,440
i mean i i i feel like john greenwald

1283
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:17,990
almost like

1284
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:22,160
james should have won mvp every year but

1285
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:23,680
for some reason they'll give it to

1286
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,400
somebody random um

1287
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:29,040
you know i mentioned christina gomez

1288
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:31,520
um earlier and i think she's she's going

1289
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,240
to be up there in the next year or two

1290
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:36,400
as as one of the best if not the best

1291
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:37,839
out there

1292
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:39,680
this year i think the work that i really

1293
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:42,559
enjoyed the most was d.d johnson's

1294
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:46,480
nice like i i beating johnson as every

1295
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,640
single time he tweeted something i was

1296
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:50,640
like oh

1297
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:51,440
yeah

1298
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:58,079
so i think you know i mean brian bender

1299
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,720
you know uh there's

1300
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,400
a lot of really great researchers out

1301
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:04,640
there yourself um

1302
00:51:07,829 --> 00:51:06,640
uh you know the

1303
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:07,839
tim

1304
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,440
um

1305
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,040
there's a lot of folks that come to mind

1306
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:13,280
like when when i think of people that

1307
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:15,520
are putting out some really great work

1308
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:17,920
that that progress uh

1309
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,319
the discussion but yeah if i had to pick

1310
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:22,720
one this year for me it was dd

1311
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:25,200
i love it that's awesome and uh aaron

1312
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:27,520
did mention luis is the personality of

1313
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:29,760
the year i recently did a live stream

1314
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:31,599
not a live stream a podcast episode with

1315
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:33,920
micah hanks and jason mcclellan and we

1316
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:36,240
picked our ufo researchers of the year

1317
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:39,359
and you were one of three chosen along

1318
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:42,960
with avi loeb and uh alex dietrich man

1319
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:45,119
so congratulations

1320
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:51,270
it's fun thanks man i appreciate it no i

1321
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,359
your cut your words were very kind um

1322
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,680
it's funny i i've got a lot of love here

1323
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:58,079
and like these award shows or these

1324
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:00,400
shows that you know are are putting

1325
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:02,960
together the the the most fun voices of

1326
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,079
the year whatever

1327
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,240
and there's been a couple and it's been

1328
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:08,400
catching me way off guard

1329
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:10,960
way off guard so i appreciate it man

1330
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:13,440
you're making me blush uh thank you it

1331
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:15,760
was it was a fun year um i can't wait to

1332
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:17,359
see what this year brings

1333
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,720
we're just going to keep on with the

1334
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:20,160
philosophy of

1335
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:21,839
you know taking the topic seriously but

1336
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:23,359
not ourselves and

1337
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:25,520
and having fun with the topic so

1338
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:26,800
you know i love that we'll see what

1339
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:28,559
happens with that formula

1340
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:31,119
well tell us what happens next man let

1341
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:33,280
us know where we can find everything

1342
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:36,640
you're up to and all that jazz yeah um

1343
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,400
yeah just google the unidentified

1344
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:40,240
celebrity review and you'll find our

1345
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:41,839
show um

1346
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:43,599
everybody is always asking why is it

1347
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:45,839
called that because i'm an actor nobody

1348
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:47,760
knows who i am i'm an unidentified

1349
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:52,480
celebrity and i review ufos so i love it

1350
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:54,640
so yeah you can you can google me there

1351
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:56,240
you'll find all my stuff you can find me

1352
00:53:02,230 --> 00:52:58,960
at lou angeles on twitter um

1353
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:02,240
and uh yeah we go we do shows every

1354
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:05,119
monday tuesday wednesday and friday

1355
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:07,119
so uh come check us out it's a lot of

1356
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:07,920
fun

1357
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,119
check it out

1358
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:11,200
awesome my man well hey go i know you

1359
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:13,680
got a live stream to to go to so um yeah

1360
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,200
i'm gonna say good night thank you for

1361
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:17,760
joining me i really appreciate your time

1362
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:19,920
pleasure everything you do and um give

1363
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:22,079
my best to michelle and happy new year i

1364
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:24,880
will man ditto um and congratulations

1365
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:27,839
again on on your your engagement and

1366
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:29,599
yeah happy new year we'll see you we'll

1367
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:31,599
see you in this new year my man awesome

1368
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:37,589
awesome that was luis simenes coming in

1369
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:39,520
to help us before he gets ready for his

1370
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,440
own show he's always

1371
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:43,680
willing to do things like that and i i

1372
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:45,839
can't thank him enough for that um and

1373
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:48,160
obviously everyone in the chat loves him

1374
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:50,720
as well getting a lot of love here luis

1375
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:52,400
is wonderful his personality is

1376
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:54,480
infectious literally puts me in a better

1377
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:56,400
mood i couldn't agree more that's why i

1378
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:58,960
love watching ucr five times a week it

1379
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:00,559
is my um

1380
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:03,040
news cycle as it were in this topic so i

1381
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:05,119
love it mr crowley says good night and

1382
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,640
happy new year lou

1383
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,160
yeah everyone's showing the love so

1384
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:10,800
thank you thank you so much luis um

1385
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:12,640
we're gonna have a few more special

1386
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:15,920
guests joining us in just a little bit

1387
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:18,319
um within the next five minutes or so

1388
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:21,040
but we're gonna move to actually number

1389
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:24,880
uh uh excuse me ten nine number eight on

1390
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:26,720
our countdown of the most popular

1391
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:28,640
interview on summer in the skies this

1392
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:32,160
past year um and that was with uh

1393
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:35,760
paranormal researcher azealia edgar um

1394
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:38,240
zelia shares her top three favorite ufo

1395
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:40,720
cases and then dissects some of the high

1396
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:43,040
strangeness and folkloric aspects of

1397
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:44,160
ufos

1398
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:46,799
and their supposed occupants um then

1399
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:49,040
xelia and i we dove deep into the works

1400
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:51,920
of john keel jacques valet and ivan t

1401
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,319
sanderson rounding out our conversation

1402
00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:56,559
with the connections between ufos the

1403
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,160
paranormal and cryptid creatures um

1404
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:02,400
but one of the most interesting things

1405
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:04,000
we talked about in the interview was

1406
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:05,200
actually um

1407
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:07,599
what could an alien's clothing have to

1408
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:10,400
say about the origins and the purpose of

1409
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:13,119
said aliens it was really interesting

1410
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:15,280
really fascinating so i'm gonna go ahead

1411
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:16,799
and uh play

1412
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:18,079
number

1413
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:28,150
and the flatwoods monster was this big

1414
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:29,760
you know it was kind of almost robotic

1415
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,200
in nature and there's a lot of people

1416
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:33,359
debating what it actually was you know

1417
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:35,040
was it on some sort of hold off

1418
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:36,480
psychological experiment from the world

1419
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,200
wars was it possibly you know um some

1420
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:41,440
sort of monster who really knows but

1421
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:43,280
either way what occurred to me as i was

1422
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:45,200
writing about this case is how very

1423
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:47,520
robotic the witnesses described this

1424
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:48,640
being

1425
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,640
and it hit me i was suddenly like you

1426
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,640
know truthfully this is what we should

1427
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:54,079
be looking for this is what we should be

1428
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,880
seeing um if indeed all

1429
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:58,880
you know ufo sightings and ufo occupant

1430
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:00,880
sightings are due to extraterrestrial

1431
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:02,799
biological entities

1432
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:03,599
and

1433
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:04,960
you know then it started occurring to me

1434
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:07,040
that on the flip side when most people

1435
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:08,960
report ufo occupants

1436
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:11,119
they are reporting these you know things

1437
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:12,480
that are wearing no sort of protective

1438
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:14,640
gear no you know respiratory equipment i

1439
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:16,640
know this is a very simplistic view on

1440
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,160
what could be an incredibly incredibly

1441
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:20,880
advanced civilization um but again it

1442
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:22,079
just kind of stood out to me and then i

1443
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:23,440
started looking at okay well what are

1444
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:25,920
they wearing and time and time again you

1445
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:29,200
get these encounters that seem a lot

1446
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:31,599
more in line with fairy lore um i mean

1447
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,280
simonton's again is a perfect example

1448
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,760
you have these um little men wearing

1449
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:37,440
black knit caps

1450
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:39,680
um in uh the honeycutting counter of

1451
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:43,119
1955 in actually loveland ohio um where

1452
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:45,200
the frogmen was cited years later there

1453
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:47,119
were the the sighting of these three um

1454
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:49,599
asymmetrical almost gnome-like creatures

1455
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:51,680
and they were wearing um

1456
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:53,200
what appeared to be almost like tunics

1457
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:54,720
or something like that so you see these

1458
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:56,720
details over and over again

1459
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,400
and then too the really intriguing thing

1460
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:00,559
to me is that you also start seeing

1461
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:02,799
trends like a big trend in the 60s you

1462
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:05,280
see a lot of these ufo occupants wearing

1463
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:07,520
what they described as boiler suits

1464
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:10,079
and so my interest here um because again

1465
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:11,599
i do i think that there may there is a

1466
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:14,000
huge connection to paranormal phenomena

1467
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:15,920
on especially ufo occupants and

1468
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,680
subconscious of the witness

1469
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:19,760
um however i think that you know this

1470
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:21,680
might even be a way to kind of nail down

1471
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,799
what is

1472
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:24,400
um something that we are influencing

1473
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:25,760
what is something malleable what may be

1474
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:28,000
a construction or projection um that's

1475
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:30,559
being shaped by the observer and what is

1476
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:32,960
genuinely something else so you know

1477
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:34,640
maybe when you see these trends is that

1478
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:36,240
just the culture of the time kind of

1479
00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:37,280
shaping

1480
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:38,799
these different these different

1481
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:41,680
scenarios or is it indeed possibly in

1482
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:43,599
the case of these boiler suit entities

1483
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:45,520
is that just the

1484
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:46,559
genuine

1485
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:49,119
entity right there um and then too you

1486
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:51,440
know even now today we the gray is

1487
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:54,160
definitely the symbol of our time and

1488
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:55,599
another intriguing thing is that a lot

1489
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:56,559
of people

1490
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:59,040
a lot of abductees and experiencers

1491
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:00,480
will even claim that the grays almost

1492
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:02,559
appear to be a suit i'm not that they're

1493
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:04,160
wearing a protective suit but that they

1494
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:06,240
are the suit or they are the drone so

1495
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:08,319
yeah this this is just one little tiny

1496
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:10,000
aspect of the phenomenon that is just

1497
00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:18,630
yeah that was definitely um one of the

1498
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,079
highlights of the year for me having

1499
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:22,559
zelia on she really uh stretched my

1500
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:24,240
brain when it came to

1501
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:27,920
ufos and biological ufos and all the

1502
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:30,720
work of keel and valet and you know one

1503
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:33,599
man's fairy of yesteryear is this man's

1504
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:36,319
gray this year um and that last thing

1505
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:38,720
she said about um you know the greys

1506
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:42,240
possibly being a suit uh that really

1507
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:44,319
shook me i remember you know watching

1508
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:47,359
the communion movie and um i think it

1509
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:50,160
was fire in the sky as well um where we

1510
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:51,920
kind of saw that what we know is the

1511
00:58:56,309 --> 00:58:54,400
alien gray big black eyes and you know

1512
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:56,319
round head and everything it was merely

1513
00:59:01,589 --> 00:58:59,520
just a shell a suit for whatever was

1514
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:01,599
actually inside there whether it was an

1515
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:04,319
actual being of some sort or an energy

1516
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:07,359
but the gray being the suit itself i

1517
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:09,680
found it very fascinating amazing

1518
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,559
discussion with xelia so i hope you guys

1519
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:15,119
will check that out um in the archives

1520
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:18,799
again that was number 199 of this past

1521
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:21,440
year and uh we are going to move on to

1522
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:23,920
our next in the countdown but before we

1523
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:27,440
do that um i'm going to bring in

1524
00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:29,599
our next special guest of the night who

1525
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:32,240
was so nice and kind to do this last

1526
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:35,440
minute um so yeah you know her you love

1527
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:36,240
her

1528
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:39,440
ufo jane how are you hey

1529
00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:41,359
i have i feel

1530
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:44,480
wonderful today i sound like death i

1531
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:46,559
look like death but

1532
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:50,559
i i fee i feel great you know after

1533
00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:52,960
you the one really good thing when

1534
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:54,319
you're sick

1535
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:57,200
is you realize how amazing it is to not

1536
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:59,200
be sick

1537
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:01,440
you're like wow i could be getting so

1538
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:03,680
many things done so

1539
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:05,680
yeah i feel like a superhero today even

1540
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:06,640
though i

1541
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:08,559
but hopefully i'll i'll look more like

1542
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:11,280
it in 2022. but

1543
01:00:16,470 --> 01:00:14,799
it's so fun i'm so excited to be here

1544
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:16,480
with you to celebrate your top 10

1545
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:18,799
episodes and i know i also got to talk

1546
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:22,160
through the top stories of 2021. yeah

1547
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:24,400
you're becoming our list person here

1548
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,200
yeah

1549
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:27,440
it's an honor so

1550
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:29,280
yeah thank you for having me

1551
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:32,079
my absolute pleasure um well i'm glad

1552
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:34,079
you're feeling better first and foremost

1553
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:36,240
uh how were your holidays um on a

1554
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:37,599
personal level

1555
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,240
the holidays were great i felt

1556
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:42,400
awesome and then i must have just you

1557
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:44,480
know worn myself out

1558
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:45,520
um

1559
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:47,760
seeing family and friends and staying up

1560
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:49,359
late and

1561
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:52,400
drinking cider

1562
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:54,240
i know that yeah it was

1563
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:55,440
it was great

1564
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:58,000
how about you i didn't i didn't yes i

1565
01:01:02,789 --> 01:00:59,440
don't think you gave an update yet on

1566
01:01:03,750 --> 01:01:02,799
your i've been traveling a lot um in the

1567
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:03,760
past

1568
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:06,799
a week and a half or so on some um

1569
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:08,640
top secret projects unfortunately i'm

1570
01:01:13,589 --> 01:01:11,200
not allowed to really talk about justin

1571
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:13,599
um but i'm in new york for a very short

1572
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:15,680
amount of time before i head off to the

1573
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:17,119
next um

1574
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:19,599
leg of this this in

1575
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:21,520
thing i'm doing which i will be able to

1576
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:23,040
share with people soon i promise i'm not

1577
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:25,839
trying to be too vague but um i'm home

1578
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:28,240
and i decided why not do one of these i

1579
01:01:32,069 --> 01:01:30,000
thought it'd be really fun to look back

1580
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:32,079
because i know you as well as a content

1581
01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:35,440
creator um it's sometimes hard to like

1582
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:38,720
appreciate what we've done before um i

1583
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:40,559
spent so much time thinking about next

1584
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:43,280
week's episode and what's to come that i

1585
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:46,559
don't really reflect on what i did this

1586
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:48,720
past year and what i discovered and

1587
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:50,480
learned so i thought this would be a

1588
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:52,079
cool way to do that i don't know is that

1589
01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:55,520
just me or do you run into that oh 100

1590
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:57,440
and i always have intention to putting

1591
01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:01,440
together clips so that i can preserve

1592
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:03,039
some of those like really special

1593
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:05,680
moments and things like that and

1594
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:08,480
yeah it's challenging and i'm actually

1595
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:10,720
working on a similar video for the

1596
01:02:17,589 --> 01:02:12,480
channel

1597
01:02:19,750 --> 01:02:17,599
some of those moments just like you're

1598
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:19,760
doing here and yeah i think that's the

1599
01:02:26,069 --> 01:02:21,119
only way

1600
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:26,079
have to put in the effort

1601
01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:29,119
to remind ourselves and reflect on it

1602
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:30,160
because

1603
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:31,599
it is really cool and then of course all

1604
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:34,480
the people here in the live chat and all

1605
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:36,880
the viewers along the way who've

1606
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:38,319
um

1607
01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:40,559
been there for all these moments and

1608
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:42,000
then

1609
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:46,480
again it's it's pretty it's pretty

1610
01:02:50,549 --> 01:02:49,119
special i think especially too i think

1611
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:50,559
this community is going to get bigger

1612
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:52,400
and bigger every year

1613
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:54,480
so in some ways

1614
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:56,880
it's extra special now

1615
01:03:01,829 --> 01:02:59,920
to have these moments and to make sure

1616
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:01,839
that we don't lose sight of them because

1617
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:03,920
it's gonna get i think it's gonna get

1618
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:04,799
really

1619
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:07,680
fast-paced

1620
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:09,119
soon and there's gonna be more more

1621
01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:11,280
people involved so

1622
01:03:13,510 --> 01:03:12,319
oh yeah

1623
01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:13,520
well i mean

1624
01:03:18,789 --> 01:03:15,599
one of those people who has been heavily

1625
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:18,799
involved in the past couple years um has

1626
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:21,839
been on some uh different shows with you

1627
01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:25,680
as well um and he's he's one of those

1628
01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:27,680
guys that you just can't help but listen

1629
01:03:32,710 --> 01:03:30,240
to every word he says and hang on it and

1630
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:32,720
he's actually with us right now as well

1631
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:34,559
so i'm going to bring in our other

1632
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:36,960
special guest of the night

1633
01:03:42,390 --> 01:03:39,839
mr jazz shaw happy holidays my man how

1634
01:03:43,750 --> 01:03:42,400
are you happy holidays to you guys too

1635
01:03:47,109 --> 01:03:43,760
thanks for

1636
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:47,119
inviting me it's it's been a crazy week

1637
01:03:52,549 --> 01:03:50,720
it has i know yeah i know you have um

1638
01:03:55,510 --> 01:03:52,559
you've had some stuff on your plate

1639
01:03:56,549 --> 01:03:55,520
recently and um i'm sending all my best

1640
01:03:59,029 --> 01:03:56,559
to you

1641
01:04:02,230 --> 01:03:59,039
and and the family same with you jane

1642
01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:02,240
and everyone um it's been a crazy time i

1643
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:04,640
think in everyone's personal lives um

1644
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:06,960
with everything going on in the world

1645
01:04:10,470 --> 01:04:08,160
and um

1646
01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:10,480
thank god there's this one topic that

1647
01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:12,240
the three of us and everyone in the chat

1648
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:14,559
can come together and have amazing

1649
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:17,119
conversations so i'm i'm so happy to

1650
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:19,200
have you both here with me so thank you

1651
01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:21,119
thank and thanks for having us and i

1652
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:22,480
will point out by the way for everybody

1653
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:23,760
who doesn't know

1654
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:25,039
back when i was

1655
01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:27,520
just doing like mainstream journalism

1656
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:29,440
about ufos before i got

1657
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:31,599
into the whole ufo twitter thing

1658
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:34,240
and before i had my first experiences

1659
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:36,480
jane was the person who published

1660
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:39,200
my first ufo video when i had my wife

1661
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:40,480
and i had our first

1662
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:43,200
experience and so i've been in touch

1663
01:04:47,029 --> 01:04:44,880
with her ever since but she was the

1664
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:47,039
first one who took my video and put it

1665
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:50,160
out there on the internet and

1666
01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:51,760
you know like invited me to go talk

1667
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:53,680
about it which i was very uncomfortable

1668
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:57,119
doing initially you know and uh but no

1669
01:05:01,349 --> 01:04:59,599
jane's been a great friend

1670
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:01,359
awesome yes

1671
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:03,839
no we are we're so happy to have you man

1672
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:07,039
um well hey we're doing the top 10

1673
01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:08,559
episodes of summer in the skies

1674
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:10,480
interviews i should say um there's a lot

1675
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:12,400
more to someone in the skies than just

1676
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:13,920
interviews but these were the ones that

1677
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:15,359
really stuck out to me they were the

1678
01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:18,160
most downloaded interviews of the year

1679
01:05:21,829 --> 01:05:19,920
and i'm happy that you guys hopped in

1680
01:05:24,309 --> 01:05:21,839
now because we're we're getting into

1681
01:05:26,789 --> 01:05:24,319
some really really good territory that i

1682
01:05:29,029 --> 01:05:26,799
think you both will be able to um to

1683
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:29,039
reflect on so i'm gonna go ahead if you

1684
01:05:33,270 --> 01:05:31,200
guys don't mind um each of these clips i

1685
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:33,280
have from the shows are about two and a

1686
01:05:37,589 --> 01:05:35,359
half to three minutes long for anyone in

1687
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:37,599
the chat that wants to you know prepare

1688
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:39,839
for that and for you guys as well um so

1689
01:05:44,309 --> 01:05:41,520
i'm gonna go ahead to

1690
01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:44,319
number i think this is number seven

1691
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:46,960
if i'm not mistaken i'm all messed up

1692
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:56,630
so this is a gentleman who has written

1693
01:06:01,029 --> 01:05:59,119
for the debrief he has been interviewed

1694
01:06:04,069 --> 01:06:01,039
um i believe by both of you at some

1695
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:04,079
point in in ufo history but this is

1696
01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:05,680
pulitzer prize-winning new york times

1697
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:08,880
reporter and co-author of the now famous

1698
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:11,680
new york times article ralph blumenthal

1699
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:13,119
blumenthal walks us through the

1700
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:15,440
decades-long journey of writing the

1701
01:06:21,190 --> 01:06:17,760
definitive biography on the life and

1702
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:21,200
career of harvard physicist dr john e

1703
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:23,119
mack so i'm gonna play that clip and i'm

1704
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:24,480
gonna get your guys thoughts on the

1705
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:27,520
other side if that's cool

1706
01:06:31,349 --> 01:06:29,200
awesome

1707
01:06:33,589 --> 01:06:31,359
what what do you want people to take

1708
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:33,599
away with the book and sort of the uh

1709
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:36,000
the legacy of john mack you know like i

1710
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:38,079
mentioned earlier we have these small

1711
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:39,760
snippets of him and interviews and

1712
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:41,760
everything so unless you knew him in

1713
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:43,680
your life uh

1714
01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:45,359
you don't get that full picture of who

1715
01:06:49,270 --> 01:06:48,400
this guy was so what legacy do you think

1716
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:49,280
mac

1717
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:51,200
really brought that's a really good

1718
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:54,880
question ryan um well um

1719
01:07:00,150 --> 01:06:57,440
i think what i take away from it is the

1720
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:00,160
story of first of all as i say at the

1721
01:07:03,190 --> 01:07:02,240
end of the book

1722
01:07:06,789 --> 01:07:03,200
mack

1723
01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:06,799
exemplified the best of our species

1724
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:09,119
meaning the human race

1725
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:10,960
he was a human being

1726
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:12,480
who

1727
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:15,440
insisted on following clues

1728
01:07:19,029 --> 01:07:17,119
uh to a mystery

1729
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:19,039
and would not be put off

1730
01:07:24,309 --> 01:07:22,160
um in that sense he i i call him a hero

1731
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:24,319
and i think he went on a hero's journey

1732
01:07:31,270 --> 01:07:27,200
the classic um hero's journey

1733
01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:31,280
of uh initiation obstacles and uh

1734
01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:33,599
eventually

1735
01:07:38,789 --> 01:07:37,200
and reluctance to shoulder the task

1736
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:38,799
and finally

1737
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:40,799
some kind of triumph where he returns

1738
01:07:45,430 --> 01:07:43,359
with a gift for humanity which is the

1739
01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:45,440
knowledge that he acquired

1740
01:07:49,589 --> 01:07:48,000
um so in that sense i consider him a

1741
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:49,599
hero

1742
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:53,760
he made mistakes he was he was very much

1743
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:55,359
of a human being

1744
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:58,000
he had warts he was too enthusiastic he

1745
01:08:02,470 --> 01:07:59,280
had

1746
01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:02,480
problems with his marriage he

1747
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:04,960
played around with drugs to enhance his

1748
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:06,559
mind

1749
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:09,760
he was not perfect but i think he was um

1750
01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:10,960
a model

1751
01:08:16,630 --> 01:08:14,559
uh for people who encounter a mystery

1752
01:08:19,349 --> 01:08:16,640
and are determined to

1753
01:08:21,910 --> 01:08:19,359
run it back to its source whatever the

1754
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:21,920
uh obstacles whatever the ramifications

1755
01:08:26,470 --> 01:08:24,000
the penalties he paid a lot of penalties

1756
01:08:28,149 --> 01:08:26,480
he was laughed at he was ridiculed he

1757
01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:28,159
paid thousands hundreds of thousands of

1758
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:30,000
dollars in legal fees

1759
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:32,080
during the harvard investigation

1760
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:33,120
um

1761
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:36,960
i think there was something

1762
01:08:42,630 --> 01:08:39,199
very much admirable about the way he

1763
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:42,640
went about uh not turning his back

1764
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:45,759
you know on this mystery and because it

1765
01:08:49,749 --> 01:08:47,120
was

1766
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:49,759
it subjected him to the ridicule factor

1767
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:52,400
and it was like the third rail you know

1768
01:08:58,470 --> 01:08:55,440
touching the third rail for a a a

1769
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:58,480
distinguished academician to to take on

1770
01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:01,120
this field and yet he did it anyway

1771
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:02,319
um

1772
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:11,120
that was one of my favorites as well uh

1773
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:12,480
i

1774
01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:16,880
blumenthal to be completely honest

1775
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:18,080
probably more than a lot of the

1776
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:20,640
interviews i've done um again like the

1777
01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:23,600
dude lives maybe

1778
01:09:29,349 --> 01:09:27,279
maybe 25 minutes away from me um but i i

1779
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:29,359
i was too nervous to go in person to

1780
01:09:33,749 --> 01:09:31,279
interview him so we did it over

1781
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:33,759
over the old stream yard but um yeah

1782
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:35,120
what did you guys think did either of

1783
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:37,199
you have a chance to read the book that

1784
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:38,799
blumenthal came out with and what are

1785
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:40,880
your personal thoughts on john mack and

1786
01:09:45,030 --> 01:09:43,120
his work whoever wants to go first

1787
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:45,040
go ahead jane

1788
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:46,480
well yeah i don't know that i have

1789
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:49,759
anything particularly valuable to add

1790
01:09:53,829 --> 01:09:52,239
more just reactions like everybody i

1791
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:53,839
mean i do

1792
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:55,280
i love

1793
01:09:57,750 --> 01:09:56,080
the

1794
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:57,760
idea of

1795
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:00,320
john mack just like anybody i what

1796
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:03,520
sticks out to me are more so witnesses

1797
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:07,120
you know he's brought forward right and

1798
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:09,840
their testimonies and that's

1799
01:10:15,669 --> 01:10:12,320
i mean how can

1800
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:15,679
how can that not be

1801
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:17,760
how yeah i mean it's hard i don't like

1802
01:10:21,990 --> 01:10:20,320
saying hero i like that he said flawed

1803
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:22,000
human though you know and made sure to

1804
01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:24,800
point that out but yeah i mean he

1805
01:10:28,830 --> 01:10:27,280
definitely stands out

1806
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:28,840
you know especially

1807
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:31,840
if disclosure plays out like we're

1808
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:34,159
guessing it will

1809
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:36,400
you know as time goes on i think he'll

1810
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:38,560
stand out more and more you know as a

1811
01:10:44,310 --> 01:10:41,840
hero and be more and more vindicated um

1812
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:44,320
as far as i mean i'm speaking to mac but

1813
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:47,040
i haven't actually had the chance to

1814
01:10:50,950 --> 01:10:48,960
interview um

1815
01:10:53,590 --> 01:10:50,960
ralph and i know i'm would be the same

1816
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:53,600
way i'm sure ryan i could

1817
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:56,080
i could even see myself um

1818
01:11:02,310 --> 01:11:00,239
willing a virtual interview

1819
01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:02,320
versus an in-person one

1820
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:04,080
uh just so i can get my thoughts

1821
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:06,320
together but uh yeah

1822
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:09,440
it's hard i mean i mean talking to ralph

1823
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:11,360
is is um

1824
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:14,080
intimidating because of his background

1825
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:18,239
uh i i did i i liked his take

1826
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:19,199
on

1827
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:21,600
john mack and the history there

1828
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:24,480
um was he a flawed messenger

1829
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:25,440
sure

1830
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:28,080
um how many of us can look back at our

1831
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:29,360
own history

1832
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:30,400
and not

1833
01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:32,320
find places where we have fallen short

1834
01:11:37,030 --> 01:11:34,400
or where we've done things that people

1835
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:37,040
might judge harshly well except ryan of

1836
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:39,760
course the nicest person in mythology

1837
01:11:44,310 --> 01:11:41,520
who's never done anything wrong

1838
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:44,320
but all the rest of us have have all you

1839
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:46,480
know have stumbled and done things

1840
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:48,320
people might find questionable

1841
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:50,400
um i

1842
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:52,640
to this day don't agree with all of the

1843
01:11:56,709 --> 01:11:54,719
conclusions that john mack drew

1844
01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:56,719
um but then again we're talking about a

1845
01:12:00,550 --> 01:11:58,159
subject where

1846
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:00,560
we're not at the point yet where we know

1847
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:03,120
what all the answers are you can't go oh

1848
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:05,440
it turned out you were wrong because a

1849
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:06,960
lot of the biggest questions we still

1850
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:08,560
don't have answers yet

1851
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:10,640
and i i think he was in many ways

1852
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:12,960
inspirational i think he was flawed i

1853
01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:15,280
think he was a very human person but he

1854
01:12:20,070 --> 01:12:18,159
put himself out there and i think uh

1855
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:20,080
ralph lumethal's

1856
01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:22,640
analysis of his work

1857
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:24,400
was definitely

1858
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:26,719
worth a look by anybody and i'm not

1859
01:12:29,110 --> 01:12:28,080
going to sit there and go oh you should

1860
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:29,120
be a

1861
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:34,080
crier you know or anything like that

1862
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:35,280
it's it's

1863
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:37,120
we're dealing with areas that are

1864
01:12:40,070 --> 01:12:38,159
unknown

1865
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:40,080
and you know everybody has to take in

1866
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:42,159
the information and keep collecting it

1867
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:44,159
as we go forward and

1868
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:46,640
those who were right or wrong

1869
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:49,199
if we ever even get those answers

1870
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:51,920
those answers lie in the future

1871
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:54,159
absolutely i love that yeah summed up

1872
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:56,320
very well jess yeah i feel the same way

1873
01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:58,320
i kind of look at john mack or i kind of

1874
01:13:03,430 --> 01:13:01,199
i should say this i look at avi loeb as

1875
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:03,440
like today's john mack willing to kind

1876
01:13:08,470 --> 01:13:07,040
of put everything on the line to um

1877
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:08,480
satisfy

1878
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:10,480
his curiosity or at least pique his

1879
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:13,280
curiosity and you know i feel like avi

1880
01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:14,719
is doing that with

1881
01:13:19,510 --> 01:13:16,880
what he's doing he's willing to like put

1882
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:19,520
these very ambitious

1883
01:13:24,229 --> 01:13:21,760
theories and thoughts out there as a

1884
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:24,239
harvard professor and an astro in

1885
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:26,080
astronomer um

1886
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:28,000
and kind of be willing to take the hits

1887
01:13:31,510 --> 01:13:29,840
that are going to come but then the

1888
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:31,520
people who will come after him will have

1889
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:33,360
a easier time

1890
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:35,520
uh bringing these questions up and

1891
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:38,000
looking into them in a serious manner so

1892
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:40,560
i i do think a lot of what john mack did

1893
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:43,120
has led to a lot of other scientists

1894
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:44,640
whether it's in the hard sciences or

1895
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:47,280
soft sciences to approach this topic and

1896
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:49,840
at least look at it seriously so yeah i

1897
01:13:53,669 --> 01:13:51,920
thought the book was great um i haven't

1898
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:53,679
finished reading it quite yet but i

1899
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:55,280
learned so much about john mack that i

1900
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:58,159
didn't know prior to so yeah that was

1901
01:14:02,310 --> 01:13:59,520
definitely one of my favorites that was

1902
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:02,320
episode 204 in the archives if anyone's

1903
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:04,880
interested who would be and avi loves a

1904
01:14:10,950 --> 01:14:08,880
good analogy to today but who would be

1905
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:10,960
the researcher

1906
01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:11,920
for

1907
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:15,120
alien abduction and witness testimonies

1908
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:16,400
though because i feel like that's kind

1909
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:17,600
of a

1910
01:14:21,830 --> 01:14:18,800
no-no

1911
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:21,840
topic these days whereas in some ways

1912
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:23,040
when

1913
01:14:28,149 --> 01:14:25,520
there was more stigma around it around

1914
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:28,159
it it was almost more okay to talk about

1915
01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:30,239
those things because there was less

1916
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:32,239
implica like there was less impact

1917
01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:34,719
almost from it right great question

1918
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:35,840
right yeah

1919
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:38,239
who would be today's

1920
01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:39,920
oh man you know

1921
01:14:45,030 --> 01:14:41,120
the

1922
01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:45,040
mind for i i have two actually and

1923
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:46,800
they're kind of very different in how

1924
01:14:51,510 --> 01:14:49,440
they approach the experiencer phenomenon

1925
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:51,520
um the first being

1926
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:53,920
uh kathleen martin who was actually

1927
01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:57,040
related to uh betty hill um

1928
01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:58,239
she is

1929
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:00,320
one of the most uh

1930
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:03,040
i would say clinical people involved in

1931
01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:06,080
the topic in terms of data and um

1932
01:15:10,709 --> 01:15:08,080
finding patterns within experiencer's

1933
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:10,719
testimony and a very compassionate

1934
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:13,679
person um so i think she's definitely up

1935
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:14,960
there and the other one i would say

1936
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:16,400
would be uh

1937
01:15:20,229 --> 01:15:17,760
would be um

1938
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:20,239
nk cranda who kind of comes from it from

1939
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:22,239
a completely different approach of um

1940
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:22,960
yeah

1941
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:24,880
she takes a very human approach like i

1942
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:25,600
do

1943
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:26,400
in

1944
01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:29,760
to these people's

1945
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:32,480
uh experiences but to at least preserve

1946
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:35,760
it and have it there if the data wants

1947
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:37,199
if it wants to be a part of the data

1948
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:39,840
eventually um she said look i'm not here

1949
01:15:43,270 --> 01:15:41,920
to judge you i'm not here to tell you

1950
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:43,280
what happened to you i'm here to take

1951
01:15:47,430 --> 01:15:45,120
down your story and add it to the

1952
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:47,440
plethora of people who have also had

1953
01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:50,159
these experiences so um

1954
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:52,480
i guess maybe those two would be two

1955
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:53,760
people looking into it i don't know do

1956
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:55,440
you guys can you think of anyone else

1957
01:16:00,630 --> 01:15:58,800
anyone in the chat let us know

1958
01:16:02,870 --> 01:16:00,640
someone said when it is

1959
01:16:04,390 --> 01:16:02,880
yeah yeah how are you drawing a blank so

1960
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:04,400
that's why i asked but yeah i mean i

1961
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:06,960
didn't think of nk kizzy i know her

1962
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:09,199
uh you know here in texas

1963
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:10,880
so i i definitely agree with that one

1964
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:13,120
too and i'm gonna have to look into cath

1965
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:14,560
i don't know if i know of kathleen

1966
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:17,120
martin so i'm gonna oh yeah look her

1967
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:20,640
she's great absolutely yeah she works um

1968
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:22,000
yeah she works with several

1969
01:16:26,390 --> 01:16:24,880
organizations and that's another big um

1970
01:16:28,630 --> 01:16:26,400
great i'm actually glad you brought this

1971
01:16:31,590 --> 01:16:28,640
up jane we don't hear about abductions a

1972
01:16:33,830 --> 01:16:31,600
lot anymore like if at all

1973
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:33,840
and you do have to wonder is that

1974
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:36,400
because they're not happening did the

1975
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:38,159
aliens get what they wanted and they're

1976
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:39,679
done with us or

1977
01:16:45,189 --> 01:16:42,400
you know is this a cultural thing it was

1978
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:45,199
so big in the 80s and 90s and it kind of

1979
01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:47,280
faded and now we're living in very nuts

1980
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:51,120
and bolts military-esque ufo encounters

1981
01:16:55,750 --> 01:16:53,360
which is great it it definitely brings

1982
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:55,760
ups the legitimacy of everything but

1983
01:16:59,669 --> 01:16:57,280
yeah i cannot tell you the last time

1984
01:17:01,750 --> 01:16:59,679
someone has come to me with a abduction

1985
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:01,760
experience that has happened within the

1986
01:17:04,709 --> 01:17:02,960
past few years

1987
01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:04,719
you know i haven't heard any i haven't

1988
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:06,880
got any recent ones either

1989
01:17:10,709 --> 01:17:08,480
can i jump in on that

1990
01:17:13,510 --> 01:17:10,719
please i i think it depends on what

1991
01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:13,520
sources you follow what you go to

1992
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:15,280
i mean i

1993
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:17,360
i'm just sort of an addict for a lot of

1994
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:18,480
this stuff

1995
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:21,520
and abductions is not my area i have no

1996
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:23,520
personal experience

1997
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:25,520
to my knowledge i've never been abducted

1998
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:28,400
um i have witnessed things in the last

1999
01:17:31,590 --> 01:17:30,800
year i consider myself an experiencer

2000
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:31,600
now

2001
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:35,760
or

2002
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:41,840
but i do follow some other podcasts

2003
01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:44,640
and uh people who write on the subject

2004
01:17:50,310 --> 01:17:46,960
who are still getting stuff all the time

2005
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:50,320
um there's one podcast uh ufo chronicles

2006
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:52,480
it's out of great britain and they have

2007
01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:54,560
fresh stories like every week

2008
01:17:59,669 --> 01:17:56,560
and a lot of those people

2009
01:18:01,590 --> 01:17:59,679
have claimed to either be abducted or if

2010
01:18:04,870 --> 01:18:01,600
not abducted had

2011
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:04,880
direct interactions i've seen craft but

2012
01:18:08,709 --> 01:18:06,800
if anybody asks me it's like

2013
01:18:11,189 --> 01:18:08,719
so is it aliens driving the craft it's

2014
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:11,199
like i have no answers for you all i did

2015
01:18:16,390 --> 01:18:13,440
was saw a thing in the sky well before

2016
01:18:18,950 --> 01:18:16,400
things in the sky you know and i i never

2017
01:18:21,270 --> 01:18:18,960
saw any beings i had no downloads i had

2018
01:18:23,590 --> 01:18:21,280
no telepathic communications or anything

2019
01:18:25,350 --> 01:18:23,600
so i don't know but people still do

2020
01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:25,360
report those events

2021
01:18:31,350 --> 01:18:28,560
and i do think i kind of agree with jane

2022
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:31,360
um no matter what validity

2023
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:33,920
no matter what weight you place on that

2024
01:18:36,790 --> 01:18:36,000
it's worth gathering the data and saving

2025
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:36,800
it

2026
01:18:41,350 --> 01:18:39,280
and we may find out things later you

2027
01:18:42,310 --> 01:18:41,360
know who knows

2028
01:18:43,510 --> 01:18:42,320
so

2029
01:19:02,390 --> 01:18:43,520
i

2030
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:02,400
to say

2031
01:19:06,790 --> 01:19:04,560
how do i know you know i just i know

2032
01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:06,800
what i've seen and everybody else knows

2033
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:09,440
what they've seen and now we're coming

2034
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:11,920
together in a much broader community

2035
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:13,520
and trying to gather data and we have

2036
01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:14,640
people in the government in the

2037
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:16,880
scientific community saying let's get

2038
01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:18,719
all the data let's put it together see

2039
01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:20,719
what the commonalities are you know

2040
01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:23,760
things like that and it's

2041
01:19:27,910 --> 01:19:26,080
ryan has said this many times it's not a

2042
01:19:30,470 --> 01:19:27,920
sprint it's a marathon

2043
01:19:31,990 --> 01:19:30,480
and i think this is a collection of data

2044
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:32,000
and that's a part of the data we should

2045
01:19:36,870 --> 01:19:34,000
be collecting is it going to turn out to

2046
01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:36,880
be viable or provable

2047
01:19:40,149 --> 01:19:38,159
we don't know yet

2048
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:40,159
but it's still a piece of the picture

2049
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:41,600
right and

2050
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:43,920
so why not gather it all and get

2051
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:46,320
everybody together and say as we get

2052
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:48,480
more data points

2053
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:50,880
maybe we'll be able to you know take

2054
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:52,239
some things down

2055
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:53,040
and

2056
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:55,760
why not why judge anybody why say

2057
01:20:02,790 --> 01:19:59,520
oh well i i saw a flying saucer but you

2058
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:02,800
said you got abducted uh by a gray

2059
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:04,880
you're crazy but i'm fine because the

2060
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:07,040
flying saucers are real

2061
01:20:12,070 --> 01:20:07,840
right

2062
01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:12,080
collect the information

2063
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:13,920
follow the path where it takes us that's

2064
01:20:17,189 --> 01:20:15,280
all i'm saying

2065
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:17,199
such a good point i mean we had the

2066
01:20:22,870 --> 01:20:20,400
whole anjali controversy this past year

2067
01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:22,880
as well yeah we won't go into it now but

2068
01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:24,960
um i kind of

2069
01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:27,440
i found myself jazz being one of those

2070
01:20:31,510 --> 01:20:28,400
people

2071
01:20:34,470 --> 01:20:31,520
who immediately judged her and said

2072
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:34,480
this isn't yeah this isn't real like oh

2073
01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:36,960
my god this is gonna like

2074
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:38,960
backtrack everything we've made progress

2075
01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:40,960
on blah blah blah blah blah and then i

2076
01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:43,600
had to take that moment to be like

2077
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:45,520
i don't know i was not there when this

2078
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:47,360
happened to her and i have preached that

2079
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:49,760
for many many years with experiencers i

2080
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:51,920
was not there when it happened i cannot

2081
01:20:56,709 --> 01:20:53,440
tell you what happened or that it did

2082
01:20:59,350 --> 01:20:56,719
happen or not um so you know i i go

2083
01:21:01,910 --> 01:20:59,360
through all these weird struggles being

2084
01:21:03,030 --> 01:21:01,920
a person who speaks to experiencers and

2085
01:21:05,830 --> 01:21:03,040
witnesses

2086
01:21:09,270 --> 01:21:05,840
almost on a daily basis of um

2087
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:09,280
i guess cynicism um but also

2088
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:10,400
uh

2089
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:13,360
believability um because like you said

2090
01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:14,400
jazz i

2091
01:21:20,149 --> 01:21:16,719
like you have seen a ufo but i have not

2092
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:20,159
been abducted by aliens um so you know i

2093
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:22,320
hope hope there will be that middle

2094
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:24,719
ground someday where those experiences

2095
01:21:27,750 --> 01:21:26,480
will become a part of the overall

2096
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:27,760
conversation

2097
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:30,080
but in time and you know um a lot of

2098
01:21:33,030 --> 01:21:31,520
people have been saying oh and jolly was

2099
01:21:34,629 --> 01:21:33,040
full of it like what she said was gonna

2100
01:21:36,790 --> 01:21:34,639
happen didn't happen

2101
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:36,800
and it's not gonna happen and that could

2102
01:21:40,950 --> 01:21:38,480
very well be the case she this could

2103
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:40,960
have all been an elaborate hoax or a

2104
01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:44,880
prank she was doing or maybe she was

2105
01:21:50,070 --> 01:21:47,840
mentally unstable or maybe this actually

2106
01:21:52,629 --> 01:21:50,080
happened none of us are

2107
01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:52,639
we can truly say so when it comes to

2108
01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:54,960
this kind of stuff i say

2109
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:58,080
let time only time will tell and um

2110
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:00,400
if it if it's meant to be exposed it

2111
01:22:04,229 --> 01:22:02,800
will be um but for right now we are no

2112
01:22:06,390 --> 01:22:04,239
closer to answers to the abduction

2113
01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:06,400
phenomenon than we were before but at

2114
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:08,480
least we had people like john mack

2115
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:10,880
looking into it so yeah any last words

2116
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:12,960
on john mack before we move to our next

2117
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:15,520
our next one guys

2118
01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:16,480
i'm good

2119
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:18,239
i thought it was a great book um i would

2120
01:22:23,350 --> 01:22:20,159
recommend it to anybody

2121
01:22:25,590 --> 01:22:23,360
and i think john mack i saw some

2122
01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:25,600
comments in the chat you know why was

2123
01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:27,520
john mack flawed character

2124
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:29,600
when he was i am yeah

2125
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:31,120
i i me too

2126
01:22:35,830 --> 01:22:33,760
i i i'm gonna just say

2127
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:35,840
you two are not flawed characters you're

2128
01:22:40,229 --> 01:22:38,400
both probably you know pristine but most

2129
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:40,239
of the most of the world you know we're

2130
01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:42,320
all flawed characters and we have

2131
01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:44,639
things that we did in our past and

2132
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:47,360
whatnot you know so take john mc you

2133
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:48,960
know just as a human being is all i

2134
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:50,560
would say you know

2135
01:22:54,070 --> 01:22:53,280
was he jesus you know

2136
01:22:57,270 --> 01:22:54,080
no

2137
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:57,280
to the conversation

2138
01:22:59,990 --> 01:22:58,480
i think so

2139
01:23:02,709 --> 01:23:00,000
you know just

2140
01:23:04,709 --> 01:23:02,719
take it take him for what he was

2141
01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:04,719
i agree i agree with you all the way man

2142
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:06,400
hey chris plain is here he said i was

2143
01:23:11,250 --> 01:23:08,159
abducted by the debrief and have been

2144
01:23:12,870 --> 01:23:11,260
held hostage for a year now exactly

2145
01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:12,880
[Laughter]

2146
01:23:16,870 --> 01:23:14,560
so so true

2147
01:23:20,950 --> 01:23:18,790
happens to the best of us hey reptiles

2148
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:20,960
here hi peeps thanks for being here

2149
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:23,440
everyone um i'm going to reset the room

2150
01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:25,199
here guys before we move on to our next

2151
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:27,760
number in the countdown we have ufo jane

2152
01:23:31,669 --> 01:23:29,600
we have jazz shaw here and we are

2153
01:23:33,910 --> 01:23:31,679
running through the top 10 interviews of

2154
01:23:36,229 --> 01:23:33,920
summer in the skies this past year i've

2155
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:36,239
got some clips to play for each of these

2156
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:37,600
interviews they're all around two to

2157
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:39,360
three minutes just so you can mentally

2158
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:42,400
prepare for that um and we're moving on

2159
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:45,280
right now to number uh i believe we are

2160
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:47,040
on

2161
01:23:59,990 --> 01:23:51,840
and um this comes from episode 203 of

2162
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:01,590
see this is what i get for trying to do

2163
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:03,120
a bunch of multimedia i knew i would

2164
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:06,239
screw something up um at number six we

2165
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:07,199
have

2166
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:10,320
the black triangles episode 203 this is

2167
01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:11,600
with david

2168
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:16,400
marlar the triangular ufo

2169
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:20,239
um you know preeminent researcher and um

2170
01:24:24,390 --> 01:24:22,639
in this interview david marlar touches

2171
01:24:26,149 --> 01:24:24,400
on his experiences talking with

2172
01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:26,159
christopher mellon for the show

2173
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:27,920
unidentified

2174
01:24:32,229 --> 01:24:30,000
and what the black triangle ufos could

2175
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:32,239
represent in some very interesting

2176
01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:34,639
comments that have gone under the radar

2177
01:24:39,669 --> 01:24:37,120
by the pentagon and navy concerning

2178
01:24:41,350 --> 01:24:39,679
military ufo counters with ufos so i'm

2179
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:41,360
going to play this clip and get you guys

2180
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:48,149
you can't arbitrarily say well

2181
01:24:52,870 --> 01:24:50,239
triangular ufos that are being reported

2182
01:24:55,270 --> 01:24:52,880
post stealth technology are credible but

2183
01:24:57,669 --> 01:24:55,280
we're going to discount 70 or 70 years

2184
01:24:59,110 --> 01:24:57,679
plus worth of other accounts i mean

2185
01:25:00,629 --> 01:24:59,120
that's not scientific that's not

2186
01:25:03,510 --> 01:25:00,639
objective that's just being completely

2187
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:03,520
arbitrary in your approach and so like i

2188
01:25:07,110 --> 01:25:05,280
say you have to view the totality of

2189
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:07,120
evidence but in the course of that

2190
01:25:10,149 --> 01:25:09,040
conversation and i really thought this

2191
01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:10,159
was interesting

2192
01:25:16,709 --> 01:25:14,080
chris uh postulated the idea that these

2193
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,719
triangular ufos might be on some type of

2194
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:18,960
reconnaissance or mapping mission

2195
01:25:24,310 --> 01:25:22,880
and i think in a very logical fashion he

2196
01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:24,320
looked at the characteristics that i

2197
01:25:27,669 --> 01:25:26,320
described and the characteristics that

2198
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:27,679
he had seen in the reports they had

2199
01:25:34,310 --> 01:25:31,040
investigated the low level flight uh the

2200
01:25:35,669 --> 01:25:34,320
very slow speed the triangular lights

2201
01:25:37,270 --> 01:25:35,679
you know with a light at each point of

2202
01:25:38,709 --> 01:25:37,280
the triangle which is not in all the

2203
01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:38,719
accounts i might add and in some of the

2204
01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:40,080
recreations you'll notice they didn't

2205
01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:41,840
have lights like that there are

2206
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:43,679
variation in the lighting patterns but

2207
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:46,960
the most uh prevalent is of course the

2208
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:49,120
the point of light at each point of the

2209
01:25:53,189 --> 01:25:50,400
triangle

2210
01:25:54,950 --> 01:25:53,199
and chris postulated could these things

2211
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:54,960
be doing some type of mapping or

2212
01:26:00,149 --> 01:25:57,920
scanning or reconnaissance operation as

2213
01:26:01,910 --> 01:26:00,159
a result of their behaviors and as a

2214
01:26:03,669 --> 01:26:01,920
result of thinking that these lights

2215
01:26:06,149 --> 01:26:03,679
might be some type of triangulation

2216
01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:06,159
method for pinpointing and mapping and

2217
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:07,600
measuring things

2218
01:26:11,750 --> 01:26:10,159
and i have to say again

2219
01:26:13,030 --> 01:26:11,760
what i alluded to earlier doesn't matter

2220
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:13,040
what you believe it matters what the

2221
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:16,000
data reflects and there is logic to what

2222
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:18,000
he's putting forth i i don't think we

2223
01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:19,679
can just discount that i think it's one

2224
01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:22,400
of the most logical explanations based

2225
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:24,560
on what we've seen with the data time

2226
01:26:28,149 --> 01:26:25,760
and time again

2227
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:28,159
um i've often cited the fact that i

2228
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:30,400
thought perhaps these lights which

2229
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:33,199
obviously are not faa lighting

2230
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:34,800
if these things are from the place they

2231
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:36,560
don't need to adhere to our faa flight

2232
01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:39,120
regulations with regard to lights um i

2233
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:40,400
always felt that they were an integral

2234
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:42,719
part of the propulsion system or there

2235
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:44,560
were some type of sensors

2236
01:26:47,590 --> 01:26:46,000
that were

2237
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:47,600
some technology that we're not familiar

2238
01:26:53,030 --> 01:26:50,800
with let's say for instance there is a

2239
01:26:55,430 --> 01:26:53,040
valid uh

2240
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:55,440
evidence that these things are surveying

2241
01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:56,719
or mapping

2242
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:59,760
our our our world why why are they doing

2243
01:27:03,030 --> 01:27:01,440
that we need to know the motivation for

2244
01:27:05,189 --> 01:27:03,040
that and that could be a potential

2245
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:05,199
threat right why are they doing that and

2246
01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:06,719
ryan admittedly there's been a

2247
01:27:10,070 --> 01:27:08,480
successive series of revelations since

2248
01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:10,080
the new york times article right the

2249
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:11,440
videos came out then they officially

2250
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:13,199
endorsed the videos then the navy came

2251
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:15,280
forward and said yes they acknowledge

2252
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:17,040
the videos and by the way we're also

2253
01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:18,800
formulating official policy procedure

2254
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:21,600
for naval personnel to report uaps

2255
01:27:26,229 --> 01:27:23,920
one little statement in the the naval

2256
01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:26,239
spokesman's comment that most people

2257
01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:28,560
don't seize upon and i can tell you my

2258
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:29,840
eyebrows went up and the hair on the

2259
01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:31,679
back of my neck stood on end

2260
01:27:36,149 --> 01:27:33,920
it stated one of the reasons they were

2261
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:36,159
doing this is due to the increased

2262
01:27:42,550 --> 01:27:39,120
frequency of sightings within military

2263
01:27:45,270 --> 01:27:42,560
operations areas of these uaps

2264
01:27:46,790 --> 01:27:45,280
that is a very telling statement because

2265
01:27:49,350 --> 01:27:46,800
since the new york times article came

2266
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:49,360
out in all these successive revelations

2267
01:27:52,629 --> 01:27:51,280
with regard to the uap task force and

2268
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:52,639
other things

2269
01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:54,239
the fundamental question i've asked

2270
01:27:58,149 --> 01:27:56,320
myself having been doing this now for 31

2271
01:27:59,910 --> 01:27:58,159
years and looking at decades-long

2272
01:28:02,070 --> 01:27:59,920
denials on the part of the united states

2273
01:28:03,669 --> 01:28:02,080
government military

2274
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:03,679
why now

2275
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:09,920
more publicly and talking about it why

2276
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:13,520
now are they releasing dod videos

2277
01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:15,520
we have to ask that question and i think

2278
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:17,520
the naval spokesman gave us insight into

2279
01:28:22,709 --> 01:28:20,000
that when they stated due to the

2280
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:22,719
increased frequency so are they seeing

2281
01:28:27,110 --> 01:28:25,280
this huge surge in sightings credible

2282
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:27,120
sightings on the part of their military

2283
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:28,400
and if so

2284
01:28:33,510 --> 01:28:31,040
if you're wired like lou if you're wired

2285
01:28:34,870 --> 01:28:33,520
like chris from a defense intelligence

2286
01:28:36,629 --> 01:28:34,880
standpoint

2287
01:28:40,870 --> 01:28:36,639
how could you not stand up and take

2288
01:28:46,709 --> 01:28:44,550
yeah so i want to ask you guys why now

2289
01:28:48,270 --> 01:28:46,719
why do you think this has all been set

2290
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:48,280
into motion since

2291
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:51,600
2017. i know that is a huge question

2292
01:28:56,310 --> 01:28:54,080
with a very long answer yet to be truly

2293
01:28:58,709 --> 01:28:56,320
decided but yeah what do you guys think

2294
01:29:01,510 --> 01:28:58,719
i mean i guess we should talk about

2295
01:29:03,910 --> 01:29:01,520
um let's talk about that first why now

2296
01:29:05,270 --> 01:29:03,920
in increased frequency in

2297
01:29:07,270 --> 01:29:05,280
um

2298
01:29:10,070 --> 01:29:07,280
incidents or is it just an increased

2299
01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:10,080
frequency of reports um i'd love to get

2300
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:11,920
your guys thoughts on that and then your

2301
01:29:14,790 --> 01:29:13,840
thoughts on the triangles in general i

2302
01:29:16,149 --> 01:29:14,800
know

2303
01:29:18,070 --> 01:29:16,159
jane you've looked heavily into the

2304
01:29:20,390 --> 01:29:18,080
triangles you've even had people come to

2305
01:29:22,070 --> 01:29:20,400
you and report them but um

2306
01:29:24,229 --> 01:29:22,080
yeah i guess jess let's start with you

2307
01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:24,239
man why now why do you think this is all

2308
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:26,800
happening now i i don't think it's all

2309
01:29:30,870 --> 01:29:29,440
happening now whatsoever um

2310
01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:30,880
uh

2311
01:29:36,390 --> 01:29:33,120
as far as the triangles go

2312
01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:36,400
you know it it's more a case of how

2313
01:29:43,030 --> 01:29:40,000
serious are reports being taken

2314
01:29:46,470 --> 01:29:43,040
how widely are they getting distributed

2315
01:29:48,310 --> 01:29:46,480
it's been happening i mean i didn't know

2316
01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:48,320
anything about

2317
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:51,120
any of this you know in person

2318
01:29:55,830 --> 01:29:53,760
until a year ago but uh

2319
01:29:58,149 --> 01:29:55,840
one of the videos and i'm yeah i sent

2320
01:30:00,310 --> 01:29:58,159
that one to jane too um

2321
01:30:02,229 --> 01:30:00,320
my wife was the one last november who

2322
01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:02,239
filmed a triangle that flew right over

2323
01:30:07,110 --> 01:30:04,960
our house um it was dark you know it was

2324
01:30:09,350 --> 01:30:07,120
night time but it definitely seemed to

2325
01:30:10,149 --> 01:30:09,360
have triangular shape it didn't have the

2326
01:30:11,669 --> 01:30:10,159
three

2327
01:30:13,189 --> 01:30:11,679
bright points of light on the side it

2328
01:30:15,510 --> 01:30:13,199
just had these little like

2329
01:30:16,870 --> 01:30:15,520
christmas tree kind of lights underneath

2330
01:30:19,270 --> 01:30:16,880
you know that was going over but we

2331
01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:19,280
filmed it you know or she filmed it you

2332
01:30:23,990 --> 01:30:20,880
know and

2333
01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:24,000
so and totally silent the whole thing

2334
01:30:26,149 --> 01:30:24,880
so

2335
01:30:27,990 --> 01:30:26,159
i i don't

2336
01:30:29,750 --> 01:30:28,000
i don't think that just suddenly started

2337
01:30:31,510 --> 01:30:29,760
happening i think it's probably been

2338
01:30:33,030 --> 01:30:31,520
happening forever

2339
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:33,040
you know uh

2340
01:30:38,070 --> 01:30:35,760
or you know however far back

2341
01:30:39,750 --> 01:30:38,080
it goes but we have no way of knowing no

2342
01:30:41,830 --> 01:30:39,760
i i don't think it's sudden i think it's

2343
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:41,840
more the second thing you said ryan i i

2344
01:30:45,590 --> 01:30:43,440
think it's just there's more people

2345
01:30:47,430 --> 01:30:45,600
looking up there's more people recording

2346
01:30:50,070 --> 01:30:47,440
there's more people willing to come

2347
01:30:53,430 --> 01:30:50,080
forward and say things

2348
01:30:54,790 --> 01:30:53,440
um the triangle that went over our place

2349
01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:54,800
you know we didn't

2350
01:30:58,229 --> 01:30:55,920
again

2351
01:31:00,629 --> 01:30:58,239
didn't see any beings didn't get any

2352
01:31:03,430 --> 01:31:00,639
mental transmissions or downloads

2353
01:31:05,430 --> 01:31:03,440
it's just this thing that

2354
01:31:06,629 --> 01:31:05,440
goes through the sky middle of the night

2355
01:31:08,870 --> 01:31:06,639
over your house

2356
01:31:12,070 --> 01:31:08,880
and then it's gone you know

2357
01:31:13,030 --> 01:31:12,080
and so no i i totally reject the idea

2358
01:31:15,430 --> 01:31:13,040
that

2359
01:31:17,030 --> 01:31:15,440
wow you know everything was fine until

2360
01:31:19,189 --> 01:31:17,040
10 years ago and suddenly there's all

2361
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:19,199
these triangles here you know no i don't

2362
01:31:23,110 --> 01:31:21,600
really see it that way i i think this is

2363
01:31:25,510 --> 01:31:23,120
probably a phenomenon that's been going

2364
01:31:27,510 --> 01:31:25,520
on for a very long time and we're just

2365
01:31:29,750 --> 01:31:27,520
getting more

2366
01:31:31,270 --> 01:31:29,760
uh more capability of people to collect

2367
01:31:33,750 --> 01:31:31,280
evidence and throw it out there for

2368
01:31:36,550 --> 01:31:33,760
people to consider and at the same time

2369
01:31:39,510 --> 01:31:37,830
excuse me

2370
01:31:40,709 --> 01:31:39,520
um particularly with the government

2371
01:31:42,149 --> 01:31:40,719
revelations

2372
01:31:44,070 --> 01:31:42,159
more people whose

2373
01:31:46,790 --> 01:31:44,080
minds are open

2374
01:31:48,790 --> 01:31:46,800
if that makes sense to go yeah

2375
01:31:50,629 --> 01:31:48,800
that might have previously said oh

2376
01:31:52,709 --> 01:31:50,639
x-files you know and now they're going

2377
01:31:54,470 --> 01:31:52,719
like well maybe

2378
01:31:57,350 --> 01:31:54,480
let me take a look right

2379
01:31:58,470 --> 01:31:57,360
so i i think it's a more acceptable uh

2380
01:32:00,149 --> 01:31:58,480
acceptable

2381
01:32:01,030 --> 01:32:00,159
topic of conversation

2382
01:32:03,430 --> 01:32:01,040
but

2383
01:32:06,790 --> 01:32:03,440
i i'll maybe jane thinks i'm totally

2384
01:32:07,990 --> 01:32:06,800
wrong i i just think it's become more

2385
01:32:09,270 --> 01:32:08,000
digestible

2386
01:32:11,590 --> 01:32:09,280
is my thought

2387
01:32:13,430 --> 01:32:11,600
nice yeah jane what do you think someone

2388
01:32:15,590 --> 01:32:13,440
who's looked heavily into the triangles

2389
01:32:17,750 --> 01:32:15,600
and have even had them reported in your

2390
01:32:19,189 --> 01:32:17,760
area i know as well yeah what do you

2391
01:32:21,990 --> 01:32:19,199
make of all that

2392
01:32:23,669 --> 01:32:22,000
um well i think that's i love just what

2393
01:32:25,110 --> 01:32:23,679
jazz has said about

2394
01:32:30,229 --> 01:32:25,120
nothing's

2395
01:32:31,270 --> 01:32:30,239
so matter of fact and so much truth to

2396
01:32:32,229 --> 01:32:31,280
that

2397
01:32:34,390 --> 01:32:32,239
but

2398
01:32:36,950 --> 01:32:34,400
yeah so the triangles

2399
01:32:38,310 --> 01:32:36,960
aren't anything new as far as i'm

2400
01:32:40,870 --> 01:32:38,320
concerned and

2401
01:32:42,790 --> 01:32:40,880
in the research so as far as the

2402
01:32:46,149 --> 01:32:42,800
research i've been doing here in texas

2403
01:32:47,270 --> 01:32:46,159
so i mean the triangles are

2404
01:32:48,870 --> 01:32:47,280
the most

2405
01:32:51,030 --> 01:32:48,880
prevalent

2406
01:32:54,470 --> 01:32:51,040
most perplexing

2407
01:32:56,790 --> 01:32:54,480
most uh just undebunkable

2408
01:32:58,790 --> 01:32:56,800
type of sighting that i've covered you

2409
01:33:01,750 --> 01:32:58,800
know over the years and they've been

2410
01:33:04,790 --> 01:33:01,760
seen since i started texas ufos you know

2411
01:33:06,070 --> 01:33:04,800
here in texas since 2012 and i'm sure

2412
01:33:07,990 --> 01:33:06,080
um

2413
01:33:09,990 --> 01:33:08,000
way further there was a big wave i

2414
01:33:11,189 --> 01:33:10,000
actually remember in

2415
01:33:12,950 --> 01:33:11,199
there well

2416
01:33:15,750 --> 01:33:12,960
and there would be big waves like

2417
01:33:18,229 --> 01:33:15,760
certain summers so there's it wasn't so

2418
01:33:21,110 --> 01:33:18,239
much where the triangles were seen

2419
01:33:24,950 --> 01:33:21,120
um it was more so when they were seen

2420
01:33:27,270 --> 01:33:24,960
there would just be these ufo um

2421
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:27,280
i can't remember the ufo flaps i guess

2422
01:33:31,110 --> 01:33:28,800
if you will

2423
01:33:33,030 --> 01:33:31,120
and the triangles are just what they

2424
01:33:35,510 --> 01:33:33,040
sound like

2425
01:33:37,270 --> 01:33:35,520
typically silent dark would sometimes

2426
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:37,280
have three lights the three yellow

2427
01:33:40,709 --> 01:33:39,600
lights on the edges with the red light

2428
01:33:43,910 --> 01:33:40,719
in the middle

2429
01:33:47,350 --> 01:33:43,920
um sometimes they would be described as

2430
01:33:50,870 --> 01:33:47,360
almost like camouflaging or

2431
01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:50,880
being transparent uh against the night

2432
01:33:53,990 --> 01:33:51,840
sky

2433
01:33:55,510 --> 01:33:54,000
sometimes they were seen

2434
01:33:58,550 --> 01:33:55,520
well they're often seen hovering and

2435
01:34:01,350 --> 01:33:58,560
then then maybe moving after that

2436
01:34:03,350 --> 01:34:01,360
or even as if they were in like a

2437
01:34:05,910 --> 01:34:03,360
firefight or something like seeing

2438
01:34:07,110 --> 01:34:05,920
wobbling or um

2439
01:34:11,590 --> 01:34:07,120
you know witness

2440
01:34:12,629 --> 01:34:11,600
drew one time a ship with a chunk of uh

2441
01:34:17,510 --> 01:34:12,639
you know

2442
01:34:19,830 --> 01:34:17,520
had been damaged

2443
01:34:21,669 --> 01:34:19,840
so there's you know a number of videos

2444
01:34:22,950 --> 01:34:21,679
and photos

2445
01:34:24,629 --> 01:34:22,960
out there it's a little tricky because

2446
01:34:27,669 --> 01:34:24,639
any three lights in the sky can be a

2447
01:34:29,669 --> 01:34:27,679
triangle so there are misidentifications

2448
01:34:30,950 --> 01:34:29,679
it does happen but yeah the triangles

2449
01:34:32,709 --> 01:34:30,960
are real

2450
01:34:35,990 --> 01:34:32,719
and as far as

2451
01:34:37,830 --> 01:34:36,000
why now um yeah i mean they they go back

2452
01:34:40,870 --> 01:34:37,840
i mean think about the phoenix lights

2453
01:34:43,910 --> 01:34:40,880
obviously in 1997 would be a really

2454
01:34:46,070 --> 01:34:43,920
famous triangle ufo case that seems like

2455
01:34:49,189 --> 01:34:46,080
it does seem to be it was more of the

2456
01:34:51,590 --> 01:34:49,199
sauce or variety the farther you go back

2457
01:34:53,350 --> 01:34:51,600
um you know closer to roswell but

2458
01:34:54,390 --> 01:34:53,360
there's even rumors that there was a

2459
01:34:55,350 --> 01:34:54,400
bigger

2460
01:34:56,870 --> 01:34:55,360
maybe

2461
01:34:59,350 --> 01:34:56,880
dif you know

2462
01:35:02,070 --> 01:34:59,360
not a disc shaped craft you know that

2463
01:35:05,430 --> 01:35:02,080
the saucers came out of so that i know

2464
01:35:07,750 --> 01:35:05,440
that that's been a debate um but yeah so

2465
01:35:09,350 --> 01:35:07,760
why now i think that

2466
01:35:11,350 --> 01:35:09,360
well there's a number of reasons i don't

2467
01:35:13,590 --> 01:35:11,360
think this is fully organic

2468
01:35:14,870 --> 01:35:13,600
but i think one of the reasons one of

2469
01:35:18,149 --> 01:35:14,880
many

2470
01:35:21,189 --> 01:35:18,159
perhaps is that a civilian and

2471
01:35:23,109 --> 01:35:21,199
commercial space flight is i really

2472
01:35:25,030 --> 01:35:23,119
think that there are

2473
01:35:27,189 --> 01:35:25,040
things out there in space

2474
01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:27,199
i think even if you watch you know a

2475
01:35:31,109 --> 01:35:29,920
given like iss stream or whatever long

2476
01:35:33,430 --> 01:35:31,119
enough you're probably going to see

2477
01:35:35,590 --> 01:35:33,440
something weird you can't identify and i

2478
01:35:39,109 --> 01:35:35,600
think there needs to be a protocol and

2479
01:35:41,830 --> 01:35:39,119
an understanding of

2480
01:35:43,270 --> 01:35:41,840
you know of the ufo phenomenon as that

2481
01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:43,280
happens

2482
01:35:47,430 --> 01:35:44,800
i i don't want to get hung up on this

2483
01:35:49,350 --> 01:35:47,440
but the like the one i was talking about

2484
01:35:51,350 --> 01:35:49,360
that jane and i discussed a lot of

2485
01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:51,360
people do seem to focus on that three

2486
01:35:56,550 --> 01:35:54,000
bright white or yellow lights around the

2487
01:35:58,709 --> 01:35:56,560
corners and i was like well ours didn't

2488
01:36:00,550 --> 01:35:58,719
have that well

2489
01:36:02,229 --> 01:36:00,560
i i just i hate to see people get hung

2490
01:36:04,310 --> 01:36:02,239
up on that like oh well that means that

2491
01:36:06,310 --> 01:36:04,320
it's not consistent or it's not real

2492
01:36:08,390 --> 01:36:06,320
i can walk out at noon on any given day

2493
01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:08,400
on my street and i can see tons of cars

2494
01:36:12,470 --> 01:36:10,400
that don't have their headlights on

2495
01:36:15,109 --> 01:36:12,480
and i think about ours the one that my

2496
01:36:16,229 --> 01:36:15,119
wife filmed and it's like well maybe it

2497
01:36:18,310 --> 01:36:16,239
could have had

2498
01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:18,320
three bright lights on the corners they

2499
01:36:22,629 --> 01:36:20,400
just had them turned off you know is

2500
01:36:24,709 --> 01:36:22,639
that really that crazy i'm not trying to

2501
01:36:26,790 --> 01:36:24,719
make a joke out of this but does it

2502
01:36:28,070 --> 01:36:26,800
always have to have the lights on it's a

2503
01:36:29,270 --> 01:36:28,080
good point

2504
01:36:31,430 --> 01:36:29,280
you know

2505
01:36:32,470 --> 01:36:31,440
yeah and i mean i know even in that

2506
01:36:35,109 --> 01:36:32,480
interview

2507
01:36:37,030 --> 01:36:35,119
when i talked to david he brought up

2508
01:36:39,350 --> 01:36:37,040
like why would they need lights like the

2509
01:36:41,910 --> 01:36:39,360
only reasons i can think of is either

2510
01:36:44,149 --> 01:36:41,920
surveying mapping or it's part of the

2511
01:36:46,390 --> 01:36:44,159
propulsion system they don't need them

2512
01:36:49,030 --> 01:36:46,400
to look at the um you know the next

2513
01:36:50,950 --> 01:36:49,040
craft in front of them or or whatnot

2514
01:36:53,990 --> 01:36:50,960
it's interesting they're not signaling

2515
01:36:56,390 --> 01:36:54,000
for a turn probably right you know right

2516
01:36:58,870 --> 01:36:56,400
forgot your blinker again damn it damn

2517
01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:58,880
it you're gonna get a ticket on earth

2518
01:37:03,750 --> 01:37:00,960
you know space police are coming to get

2519
01:37:06,629 --> 01:37:03,760
you yeah oh that was yeah i love it and

2520
01:37:08,229 --> 01:37:06,639
i i will add here um where did i see

2521
01:37:10,229 --> 01:37:08,239
that christopher plane

2522
01:37:12,629 --> 01:37:10,239
said that um

2523
01:37:15,830 --> 01:37:12,639
oh where did it go i lost it here we go

2524
01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:15,840
um ryan graves told me at the conference

2525
01:37:20,669 --> 01:37:18,400
aiaa in august he said the number has

2526
01:37:23,830 --> 01:37:20,679
continually increased since

2527
01:37:25,270 --> 01:37:23,840
2015 but again yeah that's that's hard

2528
01:37:27,350 --> 01:37:25,280
like when you're when you don't have

2529
01:37:29,430 --> 01:37:27,360
like a base level to start from really

2530
01:37:32,390 --> 01:37:29,440
because reporting wasn't really a thing

2531
01:37:34,950 --> 01:37:32,400
like is it more activity of ufos or is

2532
01:37:37,109 --> 01:37:34,960
it just more people well i mean in texas

2533
01:37:38,629 --> 01:37:37,119
alone if you look at the top cases i

2534
01:37:41,189 --> 01:37:38,639
mean you could say they're triangular

2535
01:37:43,270 --> 01:37:41,199
v-shaped because there's the 1950s

2536
01:37:44,790 --> 01:37:43,280
lubbock lights which you know were like

2537
01:37:46,709 --> 01:37:44,800
v-shaped

2538
01:37:49,830 --> 01:37:46,719
lights and

2539
01:37:50,870 --> 01:37:49,840
um and then i mean the 2008 stephenville

2540
01:37:52,070 --> 01:37:50,880
lights

2541
01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:52,080
was also

2542
01:37:56,470 --> 01:37:53,920
v-shaped lights

2543
01:37:57,510 --> 01:37:56,480
right and you know and that's that's a

2544
01:38:01,030 --> 01:37:57,520
huge

2545
01:38:03,109 --> 01:38:01,040
case so that's 2008 1997.

2546
01:38:06,709 --> 01:38:03,119
you know it's hardly just

2547
01:38:07,750 --> 01:38:06,719
only happening just now right so

2548
01:38:12,229 --> 01:38:07,760
yeah

2549
01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:12,239
episode on triangles again i they

2550
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:13,920
clearly have a near and dear place in my

2551
01:38:19,030 --> 01:38:16,480
heart having possibly seen one of these

2552
01:38:20,629 --> 01:38:19,040
triangles kind of changed my life um

2553
01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:20,639
it's why i remember i remember your

2554
01:38:24,390 --> 01:38:22,800
story and i bet you it was pretty damn

2555
01:38:27,830 --> 01:38:24,400
close to what we saw

2556
01:38:30,229 --> 01:38:27,840
yep i'm sure it was jazz and it was in a

2557
01:38:32,870 --> 01:38:30,239
kind of in proximity of you as well so

2558
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:32,880
uh only a few hours north of me yeah

2559
01:38:37,669 --> 01:38:34,960
crazy crazy we'll have to talk more

2560
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:37,679
about that man um george said maybe the

2561
01:38:40,550 --> 01:38:39,360
lights are to get our attention hey

2562
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:40,560
maybe maybe

2563
01:38:44,229 --> 01:38:42,400
these things move so damn slow and

2564
01:38:45,270 --> 01:38:44,239
they're so big it's like they don't want

2565
01:38:47,669 --> 01:38:45,280
to be

2566
01:38:49,189 --> 01:38:47,679
um you know

2567
01:38:51,189 --> 01:38:49,199
gone in the blink of an eye it seems

2568
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:51,199
like these triangles are begging to

2569
01:38:56,310 --> 01:38:53,760
almost be seen so you do or they're so

2570
01:38:59,430 --> 01:38:56,320
unafraid of us that they just don't they

2571
01:39:01,430 --> 01:38:59,440
don't care no f's giving jesus i agree

2572
01:39:03,109 --> 01:39:01,440
with you man don't give a [\h__\h] they

2573
01:39:05,510 --> 01:39:03,119
don't give a [\h__\h] oh

2574
01:39:07,590 --> 01:39:05,520
that's good for you yep good for you

2575
01:39:09,590 --> 01:39:07,600
what are you gonna do about it yeah go

2576
01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:09,600
go talk to your little uh your little

2577
01:39:14,709 --> 01:39:12,960
uap office see what they exactly

2578
01:39:16,149 --> 01:39:14,719
call the uh

2579
01:39:18,070 --> 01:39:16,159
aoi

2580
01:39:20,790 --> 01:39:18,080
monosodium glutamate thing

2581
01:39:22,550 --> 01:39:20,800
whatever it is at this point i know um

2582
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:22,560
awesome guys well let's move on to our

2583
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:24,560
next one this is someone i know both of

2584
01:39:29,510 --> 01:39:26,400
you have personally talked to

2585
01:39:32,229 --> 01:39:29,520
um he is the new owner of skinwalker

2586
01:39:39,109 --> 01:39:32,239
ranch so yes let's go

2587
01:39:43,270 --> 01:39:41,270
this is number five branded fugal skin

2588
01:39:45,830 --> 01:39:43,280
the secret of skinwalker ranch this is

2589
01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:45,840
in the archives episode 209 brandon

2590
01:39:49,669 --> 01:39:47,440
discussed all the latest discoveries at

2591
01:39:51,270 --> 01:39:49,679
skinwalker ranch and what types of

2592
01:39:53,350 --> 01:39:51,280
phenomena have been reported so i'm

2593
01:39:57,510 --> 01:39:53,360
gonna go play that clip right now and

2594
01:40:00,550 --> 01:39:57,520
see you guys on the other side yet again

2595
01:40:01,750 --> 01:40:00,560
now so far based on our observations and

2596
01:40:04,550 --> 01:40:01,760
the data

2597
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:04,560
um i believe we're seeing a diversity

2598
01:40:09,669 --> 01:40:05,840
of

2599
01:40:13,590 --> 01:40:09,679
origin and agendas associated with

2600
01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:13,600
uh the experiences on the ranch which it

2601
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:16,480
talk about making a a complicated

2602
01:40:22,390 --> 01:40:19,280
you know problem set that much more

2603
01:40:24,550 --> 01:40:22,400
difficult i mean it's it's it's and then

2604
01:40:26,310 --> 01:40:24,560
you know to be to be dealing with what

2605
01:40:28,709 --> 01:40:26,320
many people have referred to as a

2606
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:28,719
precognitive sentient intelligence that

2607
01:40:32,629 --> 01:40:30,960
is one two steps ahead of us

2608
01:40:33,590 --> 01:40:32,639
um and

2609
01:40:36,310 --> 01:40:33,600
and

2610
01:40:38,470 --> 01:40:36,320
the fact that yet things are happening

2611
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:38,480
that are beyond our control

2612
01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:41,040
uh that that have an intelligence

2613
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:42,400
associated

2614
01:40:46,390 --> 01:40:44,880
with them is uh is a little unnerving

2615
01:40:48,070 --> 01:40:46,400
but you know we try to go about it in

2616
01:40:50,629 --> 01:40:48,080
the right spirit you know we talk about

2617
01:40:53,590 --> 01:40:50,639
spirituality i think preparing yourself

2618
01:40:55,430 --> 01:40:53,600
and again you know i've noticed on a

2619
01:40:57,510 --> 01:40:55,440
number of occasions people who bring

2620
01:41:00,550 --> 01:40:57,520
negativity to the ranch that bring a

2621
01:41:02,070 --> 01:41:00,560
spirit of contention or negativity

2622
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:02,080
end up

2623
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:04,560
experiencing negativity

2624
01:41:08,229 --> 01:41:06,560
you know the the ranch seems to be

2625
01:41:10,790 --> 01:41:08,239
reflexive or at least

2626
01:41:12,870 --> 01:41:10,800
seems to to respond

2627
01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:12,880
in a very dynamic way

2628
01:41:18,390 --> 01:41:16,639
to to the spirituality or the psychology

2629
01:41:21,030 --> 01:41:18,400
of those who enter

2630
01:41:23,510 --> 01:41:21,040
so i think it's really important to to

2631
01:41:24,950 --> 01:41:23,520
be prepared and and everyone who comes

2632
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:24,960
on the property whether it be third

2633
01:41:28,629 --> 01:41:26,880
party engineers consultants i mean we've

2634
01:41:30,390 --> 01:41:28,639
had a number of

2635
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:30,400
engineering consultants and subject

2636
01:41:34,870 --> 01:41:32,800
matter experts whether it be you know

2637
01:41:37,430 --> 01:41:34,880
ground penetrating radar studies

2638
01:41:38,790 --> 01:41:37,440
resistivity studies you know drone

2639
01:41:40,870 --> 01:41:38,800
operators you know we've had the

2640
01:41:42,629 --> 01:41:40,880
rocketry experiments the instrumented

2641
01:41:44,310 --> 01:41:42,639
weather balloons etc

2642
01:41:47,030 --> 01:41:44,320
every one of the people that have come

2643
01:41:49,109 --> 01:41:47,040
onto the property to help conduct these

2644
01:41:51,270 --> 01:41:49,119
experiment experiments

2645
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:51,280
i believe have left scratching their

2646
01:41:54,470 --> 01:41:52,960
heads have seen

2647
01:41:55,910 --> 01:41:54,480
one or more

2648
01:41:57,990 --> 01:41:55,920
unexplained

2649
01:42:00,470 --> 01:41:58,000
events occur associated with their

2650
01:42:01,590 --> 01:42:00,480
engagement and and i think that's

2651
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:01,600
compelling

2652
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:03,760
you you couple the witness testimony

2653
01:42:07,750 --> 01:42:05,760
multiple witness testimony with actual

2654
01:42:11,109 --> 01:42:07,760
recorded anomalies

2655
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:11,119
that are correlative to ufo activity

2656
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:12,480
above the ranch

2657
01:42:17,669 --> 01:42:15,360
and other strangeness and i mean you you

2658
01:42:20,390 --> 01:42:17,679
really have what i believe to be the

2659
01:42:21,510 --> 01:42:20,400
most compelling ongoing

2660
01:42:23,830 --> 01:42:21,520
record

2661
01:42:25,510 --> 01:42:23,840
of of paranormal activity and a

2662
01:42:30,070 --> 01:42:25,520
scientific investigation into these

2663
01:42:35,750 --> 01:42:32,629
yeah

2664
01:42:38,149 --> 01:42:35,760
another drink so we'll definitely have

2665
01:42:40,149 --> 01:42:38,159
him come back um but yeah what are your

2666
01:42:41,990 --> 01:42:40,159
thoughts on i know you've spoken to

2667
01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:42,000
brandon personally you've interviewed

2668
01:42:47,270 --> 01:42:45,119
him um skinwalker season two

2669
01:42:49,669 --> 01:42:47,280
wrapped up we're getting a season three

2670
01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:49,679
and um yeah there's a lot to be said

2671
01:42:53,109 --> 01:42:50,880
about

2672
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:53,119
you know what's going on there we had

2673
01:42:57,669 --> 01:42:54,880
that skinwalkers at the pentagon book

2674
01:43:00,709 --> 01:42:57,679
come out recently it just seems like the

2675
01:43:02,950 --> 01:43:00,719
skinwalker mystery is just growing and

2676
01:43:05,189 --> 01:43:02,960
the people involved the list is growing

2677
01:43:07,430 --> 01:43:05,199
too so yeah what do you make of um

2678
01:43:10,470 --> 01:43:07,440
everything brandon brought forward this

2679
01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:10,480
past season on the show and um what do

2680
01:43:14,950 --> 01:43:12,000
you want more of when it comes to the

2681
01:43:17,669 --> 01:43:14,960
investigations at uh skinwalker ranch

2682
01:43:20,470 --> 01:43:17,679
yeah so i'll give i know that you're

2683
01:43:22,870 --> 01:43:20,480
asking um folks who their

2684
01:43:26,229 --> 01:43:22,880
favorite ufo personality is i'll give

2685
01:43:28,870 --> 01:43:26,239
away a little bit because well i

2686
01:43:29,550 --> 01:43:28,880
researcher too um

2687
01:43:32,950 --> 01:43:29,560
well

2688
01:43:35,510 --> 01:43:32,960
aliengirl111 shout out amy i think

2689
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:35,520
she's like i think she's stolen um the

2690
01:43:39,590 --> 01:43:38,800
hearts of everybody uh this year i feel

2691
01:43:41,510 --> 01:43:39,600
like

2692
01:43:44,390 --> 01:43:41,520
um but also

2693
01:43:46,629 --> 01:43:44,400
brandon fugle is who i would vote for

2694
01:43:48,950 --> 01:43:46,639
because i was really thinking about it

2695
01:43:51,669 --> 01:43:48,960
and you know i think in

2696
01:43:53,590 --> 01:43:51,679
years past the you know the heavyweights

2697
01:43:56,550 --> 01:43:53,600
might be like tom delong or you know

2698
01:43:59,189 --> 01:43:56,560
louis alzando of course or you could

2699
01:44:00,229 --> 01:43:59,199
even say jeremy corbell you know in

2700
01:44:02,149 --> 01:44:00,239
those

2701
01:44:03,590 --> 01:44:02,159
early

2702
01:44:06,070 --> 01:44:03,600
drops

2703
01:44:07,990 --> 01:44:06,080
that he was doing right in the pentagon

2704
01:44:08,790 --> 01:44:08,000
triangle video and all that

2705
01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:08,800
but

2706
01:44:11,750 --> 01:44:09,760
um

2707
01:44:14,709 --> 01:44:11,760
brandon fuchel

2708
01:44:16,470 --> 01:44:14,719
is i think is really rising to the ranks

2709
01:44:17,350 --> 01:44:16,480
in my opinion as a

2710
01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:17,360
really

2711
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:20,080
strong leader too and i know avi loeb is

2712
01:44:23,030 --> 01:44:21,360
there too

2713
01:44:24,470 --> 01:44:23,040
uh but

2714
01:44:26,870 --> 01:44:24,480
and they're both

2715
01:44:29,350 --> 01:44:26,880
similarly very transparent and going a

2716
01:44:32,629 --> 01:44:29,360
lot of shows and um

2717
01:44:35,350 --> 01:44:32,639
talking to people at a real level and

2718
01:44:37,510 --> 01:44:35,360
talking about the evidence in a real way

2719
01:44:39,669 --> 01:44:37,520
and uh

2720
01:44:41,270 --> 01:44:39,679
putting you know avilo putting a lot of

2721
01:44:43,750 --> 01:44:41,280
his cred credibility in harvard

2722
01:44:46,709 --> 01:44:43,760
education and brandon fugle putting

2723
01:44:51,030 --> 01:44:46,719
together his uh putting together money

2724
01:44:52,870 --> 01:44:51,040
putting money uh behind this uh

2725
01:44:55,030 --> 01:44:52,880
so yes i think

2726
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:55,040
yes i'm just a big fan

2727
01:45:01,669 --> 01:44:58,560
and i feel like he's a genuine nerd like

2728
01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:01,679
us who wants to find out the truth about

2729
01:45:04,550 --> 01:45:02,800
this

2730
01:45:07,430 --> 01:45:04,560
so i'm rooting for what's going on at

2731
01:45:10,070 --> 01:45:07,440
skinwalker ranch and with the galileo

2732
01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:10,080
project too and then also i mean

2733
01:45:18,470 --> 01:45:13,840
gary voorhees too of uapx i think it's

2734
01:45:20,629 --> 01:45:18,480
worth bringing him up to and i'm excited

2735
01:45:21,590 --> 01:45:20,639
i'm excited to see what all of these

2736
01:45:23,189 --> 01:45:21,600
three

2737
01:45:27,430 --> 01:45:23,199
entities

2738
01:45:28,390 --> 01:45:27,440
are going to reveal in 2022

2739
01:45:30,550 --> 01:45:28,400
right

2740
01:45:31,750 --> 01:45:30,560
yeah because we're supposed to get uapx

2741
01:45:33,990 --> 01:45:31,760
right

2742
01:45:35,750 --> 01:45:34,000
yeah yeah so yeah so i mean because

2743
01:45:38,470 --> 01:45:35,760
they've we've got this independent

2744
01:45:41,669 --> 01:45:38,480
research that's going on right and then

2745
01:45:43,270 --> 01:45:41,679
we have the new ufo office which

2746
01:45:45,510 --> 01:45:43,280
they're not going to have that trans

2747
01:45:46,550 --> 01:45:45,520
medium committee anymore which was going

2748
01:45:48,310 --> 01:45:46,560
to

2749
01:45:50,390 --> 01:45:48,320
have a few members of the galileo

2750
01:45:52,149 --> 01:45:50,400
project and mass and all that but i pers

2751
01:45:54,070 --> 01:45:52,159
i mean i i think those things are going

2752
01:45:57,030 --> 01:45:54,080
to happen anyways though it's not like

2753
01:45:58,709 --> 01:45:57,040
we're not going to study trans-medium

2754
01:46:00,390 --> 01:45:58,719
craft

2755
01:46:01,270 --> 01:46:00,400
just because that you know committee got

2756
01:46:03,510 --> 01:46:01,280
cut

2757
01:46:05,750 --> 01:46:03,520
so i think i think there's a lot of

2758
01:46:09,350 --> 01:46:05,760
competition right now right for

2759
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:09,360
everybody's waiting paying attention and

2760
01:46:14,310 --> 01:46:12,480
wants to to know what's the next footage

2761
01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:14,320
that's leaked or

2762
01:46:19,270 --> 01:46:15,920
what's the next evidence that will

2763
01:46:21,750 --> 01:46:19,280
change things and so um

2764
01:46:23,830 --> 01:46:21,760
i even know you know everybody loves the

2765
01:46:26,550 --> 01:46:23,840
skinny bob video and there's that

2766
01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:26,560
researcher jeff red who has money out

2767
01:46:30,709 --> 01:46:28,000
you know if anybody can bring new

2768
01:46:33,270 --> 01:46:30,719
content forward right or help to prove

2769
01:46:35,189 --> 01:46:33,280
or disprove that footage and that's you

2770
01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:35,199
know we're gonna see that right like

2771
01:46:39,910 --> 01:46:37,040
what what if but what if that happens

2772
01:46:42,629 --> 01:46:39,920
this year right like so in and suddenly

2773
01:46:44,950 --> 01:46:42,639
skinny bob's reel or something or

2774
01:46:46,629 --> 01:46:44,960
or we know for sure it for sure for sure

2775
01:46:47,830 --> 01:46:46,639
for sure it's fake you know whatever the

2776
01:46:49,109 --> 01:46:47,840
case is

2777
01:46:51,350 --> 01:46:49,119
i think some

2778
01:46:54,310 --> 01:46:51,360
stuff's definitely you know

2779
01:46:55,669 --> 01:46:54,320
we're definitely gonna find out some new

2780
01:46:57,189 --> 01:46:55,679
things

2781
01:46:59,590 --> 01:46:57,199
this year i think there's been a lot of

2782
01:47:00,790 --> 01:46:59,600
build up and it hasn't been you know for

2783
01:47:04,550 --> 01:47:00,800
nothing

2784
01:47:05,669 --> 01:47:04,560
so that's a lot a lot a lot of words to

2785
01:47:08,310 --> 01:47:05,679
describe

2786
01:47:09,189 --> 01:47:08,320
no no i love it it's such a skinwalker

2787
01:47:11,669 --> 01:47:09,199
ranch

2788
01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:11,679
yeah no i i i love it

2789
01:47:15,669 --> 01:47:13,920
big brandon fan i'll i'll say that up

2790
01:47:17,750 --> 01:47:15,679
front although

2791
01:47:19,270 --> 01:47:17,760
i've been of two minds and i've been

2792
01:47:20,470 --> 01:47:19,280
very public about this we've done a

2793
01:47:23,510 --> 01:47:20,480
couple shows

2794
01:47:25,990 --> 01:47:23,520
where we discussed this um i i think

2795
01:47:28,149 --> 01:47:26,000
brandon is great he's making

2796
01:47:30,390 --> 01:47:28,159
tremendous contributions we've

2797
01:47:32,390 --> 01:47:30,400
interviewed him i

2798
01:47:35,189 --> 01:47:32,400
jab and go back with them on

2799
01:47:37,910 --> 01:47:35,199
on social media uh just today as a

2800
01:47:40,149 --> 01:47:37,920
matter of fact you know uh i i think

2801
01:47:41,750 --> 01:47:40,159
he's doing a lot of interesting stuff

2802
01:47:42,550 --> 01:47:41,760
he's putting his money where his mouth

2803
01:47:44,550 --> 01:47:42,560
is

2804
01:47:46,470 --> 01:47:44,560
you know he he's not

2805
01:47:48,870 --> 01:47:46,480
begging anybody else he's just going out

2806
01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:48,880
and he's got his agenda

2807
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:50,320
he wants to know what he wants and now

2808
01:47:55,350 --> 01:47:52,800
he's doing his thing i like that

2809
01:47:58,070 --> 01:47:55,360
at the same time

2810
01:47:59,830 --> 01:47:58,080
skinwalker ranch as much as i find it

2811
01:48:01,590 --> 01:47:59,840
intriguing and i follow

2812
01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:01,600
all the shows all the news about it i

2813
01:48:06,470 --> 01:48:03,760
really find it intriguing

2814
01:48:08,470 --> 01:48:06,480
when we get back to talking about

2815
01:48:09,510 --> 01:48:08,480
uap disclosure

2816
01:48:11,750 --> 01:48:09,520
um

2817
01:48:14,070 --> 01:48:11,760
government secrecy things like that

2818
01:48:15,510 --> 01:48:14,080
trying to get congress to come along

2819
01:48:16,629 --> 01:48:15,520
i've sort of been on the other side of

2820
01:48:18,629 --> 01:48:16,639
the fence

2821
01:48:19,510 --> 01:48:18,639
with some of the news that comes out of

2822
01:48:23,669 --> 01:48:19,520
there

2823
01:48:27,270 --> 01:48:23,679
a couple of things that definitely were

2824
01:48:28,790 --> 01:48:27,280
dictats over skinwalker um he saw discs

2825
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:28,800
there apparently

2826
01:48:32,550 --> 01:48:30,880
but a lot of the other stuff is very

2827
01:48:34,790 --> 01:48:32,560
much more

2828
01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:34,800
for lack of a better word paranormal

2829
01:48:37,910 --> 01:48:36,239
you know

2830
01:48:41,030 --> 01:48:37,920
weird stuff

2831
01:48:42,950 --> 01:48:41,040
and i often find myself worried as much

2832
01:48:45,590 --> 01:48:42,960
as i admire

2833
01:48:48,070 --> 01:48:45,600
the work brandon is doing

2834
01:48:49,830 --> 01:48:48,080
and the stuff he's bringing forward

2835
01:48:52,709 --> 01:48:49,840
we're at a point where we finally got

2836
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:52,719
congress to come forward and go like

2837
01:48:58,790 --> 01:48:56,320
okay maybe we can talk about ufos

2838
01:49:00,550 --> 01:48:58,800
maybe they're okay they're physically

2839
01:49:03,510 --> 01:49:00,560
real

2840
01:49:05,430 --> 01:49:03,520
maybe they're intelligently controlled

2841
01:49:07,189 --> 01:49:05,440
maybe we should look into this

2842
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:07,199
because it could be

2843
01:49:12,790 --> 01:49:10,080
some other life forms right other life

2844
01:49:15,270 --> 01:49:12,800
in the universe a lot of people accept

2845
01:49:18,709 --> 01:49:15,280
you know except that

2846
01:49:20,870 --> 01:49:18,719
and then you have the skinwalker ranch

2847
01:49:22,070 --> 01:49:20,880
tv stuff that comes out and goes oh by

2848
01:49:23,669 --> 01:49:22,080
the way

2849
01:49:25,189 --> 01:49:23,679
dino beavers

2850
01:49:27,109 --> 01:49:25,199
werewolves

2851
01:49:29,830 --> 01:49:27,119
and i'm thinking about all the people in

2852
01:49:31,109 --> 01:49:29,840
congress that it took them this long for

2853
01:49:33,750 --> 01:49:31,119
us to be able to

2854
01:49:36,629 --> 01:49:33,760
tease them along and go there might be

2855
01:49:38,790 --> 01:49:36,639
some stuff in the sky we can't identify

2856
01:49:41,350 --> 01:49:38,800
and they're like oh

2857
01:49:43,430 --> 01:49:41,360
okay there might be some stuff and even

2858
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:43,440
a few people going like

2859
01:49:47,830 --> 01:49:45,760
like the dni

2860
01:49:49,270 --> 01:49:47,840
it's conceivable it might even be

2861
01:49:51,589 --> 01:49:49,280
something coming

2862
01:49:53,589 --> 01:49:51,599
extraterrestrially

2863
01:49:54,709 --> 01:49:53,599
okay we can discuss this let's take a

2864
01:49:56,470 --> 01:49:54,719
look at this

2865
01:49:58,390 --> 01:49:56,480
i just think for some of those people

2866
01:49:59,589 --> 01:49:58,400
that it took so long to get them to come

2867
01:50:01,510 --> 01:49:59,599
along

2868
01:50:05,270 --> 01:50:01,520
it's the wrong time to go

2869
01:50:07,189 --> 01:50:05,280
yes exactly thank you and oh by the way

2870
01:50:10,310 --> 01:50:07,199
werewolves

2871
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:10,320
you know and a lot of those people like

2872
01:50:14,950 --> 01:50:12,560
i have to get elected next year

2873
01:50:16,149 --> 01:50:14,960
you know i i can't do werewolves i'm

2874
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:16,159
sorry

2875
01:50:19,430 --> 01:50:17,040
you know

2876
01:50:20,149 --> 01:50:19,440
so there are there

2877
01:51:05,189 --> 01:50:20,159
i

2878
01:51:06,870 --> 01:51:05,199
that stuff

2879
01:51:09,109 --> 01:51:06,880
but if we have the people involved in

2880
01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:09,119
trying to get us the answers we want to

2881
01:51:12,870 --> 01:51:10,960
the point where they can go okay maybe

2882
01:51:14,470 --> 01:51:12,880
we can talk about ufos maybe we can talk

2883
01:51:16,390 --> 01:51:14,480
about aliens

2884
01:51:17,350 --> 01:51:16,400
let's not turn around to the next breath

2885
01:51:19,830 --> 01:51:17,360
and go

2886
01:51:20,870 --> 01:51:19,840
dino beavers are you with us or against

2887
01:51:23,030 --> 01:51:20,880
us

2888
01:51:25,350 --> 01:51:23,040
i i don't think that helps at this point

2889
01:51:26,629 --> 01:51:25,360
maybe that comes later i don't know just

2890
01:51:28,790 --> 01:51:26,639
me

2891
01:51:31,030 --> 01:51:28,800
that's a t-shirt right there man i love

2892
01:51:33,350 --> 01:51:31,040
it i love it i love it

2893
01:51:36,149 --> 01:51:33,360
i hope the zombies never come i'm not

2894
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:36,159
i'm not ever go please no anything about

2895
01:51:40,229 --> 01:51:38,090
james zombies are already here

2896
01:51:42,149 --> 01:51:40,239
[Laughter]

2897
01:51:44,950 --> 01:51:42,159
they're called the uh the corporate

2898
01:51:49,990 --> 01:51:44,960
walking dead of america yeah i think i'm

2899
01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:50,790
well

2900
01:51:56,229 --> 01:51:52,480
yup skinwalker ranch a lot to look

2901
01:51:58,550 --> 01:51:56,239
forward to in 2022 when it comes to that

2902
01:52:00,870 --> 01:51:58,560
i do too it's a lot of fun it really is

2903
01:52:03,910 --> 01:52:00,880
um and i learn a lot and that's what

2904
01:52:06,070 --> 01:52:03,920
infotainment should be um now

2905
01:52:08,470 --> 01:52:06,080
jazz jane you guys let me know if you

2906
01:52:11,189 --> 01:52:08,480
need to head out or anything please let

2907
01:52:13,510 --> 01:52:11,199
me know yeah

2908
01:52:15,830 --> 01:52:13,520
one more segment okay

2909
01:52:17,910 --> 01:52:15,840
until like the is it the top of the hour

2910
01:52:20,070 --> 01:52:17,920
so like well like until

2911
01:52:22,709 --> 01:52:20,080
yeah like eight minutes or so sounds

2912
01:52:24,790 --> 01:52:22,719
good i'm appreciative of any time you

2913
01:52:27,589 --> 01:52:24,800
guys oh and i would i would hang around

2914
01:52:30,390 --> 01:52:27,599
much longer but i'm just trying to make

2915
01:52:32,310 --> 01:52:30,400
sure i don't um

2916
01:52:34,550 --> 01:52:32,320
because i like to talk use your voice

2917
01:52:36,310 --> 01:52:34,560
it's too tempting to talk and i'm i

2918
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:36,320
can't i shouldn't

2919
01:52:39,510 --> 01:52:37,920
i totally get it

2920
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:39,520
no i've never had that problem i spend

2921
01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:41,760
the entire day just talking yelling and

2922
01:52:45,189 --> 01:52:44,080
shouting and people get tired of hearing

2923
01:52:47,589 --> 01:52:45,199
from me so

2924
01:52:53,350 --> 01:52:47,599
uh i know the feeling jess all right

2925
01:52:57,510 --> 01:52:55,109
much better time to have that one right

2926
01:52:59,669 --> 01:52:57,520
i did a little better well done

2927
01:53:02,790 --> 01:52:59,679
thank you jess i'm getting there man

2928
01:53:05,669 --> 01:53:02,800
we'll get to ucr level quality soon um

2929
01:53:09,189 --> 01:53:05,679
we have avi loeb he's been mentioned so

2930
01:53:10,709 --> 01:53:09,199
much tonight um episode 195 open the air

2931
01:53:12,790 --> 01:53:10,719
with a bang with one of the first

2932
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:12,800
interviews conducted with avilo that i

2933
01:53:16,390 --> 01:53:15,040
was able to get i was so honored to do

2934
01:53:18,470 --> 01:53:16,400
that um

2935
01:53:20,470 --> 01:53:18,480
and uh we talked all about the

2936
01:53:22,950 --> 01:53:20,480
responsibility of mainstream science to

2937
01:53:25,189 --> 01:53:22,960
ask the extraterrestrial question

2938
01:53:27,270 --> 01:53:25,199
constantly so let's play this clip get

2939
01:53:29,589 --> 01:53:27,280
your guys thoughts and um

2940
01:53:32,149 --> 01:53:29,599
and uh get you out of here so let's go

2941
01:53:34,310 --> 01:53:32,159
to avilove

2942
01:53:37,589 --> 01:53:34,320
and the problem is really when you're

2943
01:53:40,470 --> 01:53:37,599
not open-minded to find wonderful things

2944
01:53:42,790 --> 01:53:40,480
things that you don't expect necessarily

2945
01:53:44,629 --> 01:53:42,800
you will never discover them

2946
01:53:46,550 --> 01:53:44,639
so it's a catch

2947
01:53:47,830 --> 01:53:46,560
uh if the mainstream of the astronomy

2948
01:53:50,629 --> 01:53:47,840
community

2949
01:53:53,030 --> 01:53:50,639
is bullying and dismissing even a

2950
01:53:55,350 --> 01:53:53,040
discussion on the possibility that um

2951
01:53:57,750 --> 01:53:55,360
was artificial or that there are these

2952
01:54:00,149 --> 01:53:57,760
civilizations out there if they say it's

2953
01:54:01,990 --> 01:54:00,159
never aliens like the if you go to

2954
01:54:04,629 --> 01:54:02,000
twitter you'll find it a lot of times

2955
01:54:05,750 --> 01:54:04,639
being said it's never don't talk about

2956
01:54:08,070 --> 01:54:05,760
it and

2957
01:54:10,229 --> 01:54:08,080
they you know a lot of people ridicule

2958
01:54:11,990 --> 01:54:10,239
anyone that discusses this then of

2959
01:54:13,830 --> 01:54:12,000
course young people will worry about

2960
01:54:17,189 --> 01:54:13,840
their job prospects they will never

2961
01:54:20,229 --> 01:54:17,199
enter this field you will never have

2962
01:54:21,189 --> 01:54:20,239
fresh talent working on these subjects

2963
01:54:23,030 --> 01:54:21,199
and

2964
01:54:25,990 --> 01:54:23,040
it will never be funded

2965
01:54:27,830 --> 01:54:26,000
so it's a self-fulfilling prophecy

2966
01:54:30,149 --> 01:54:27,840
you you know all these

2967
01:54:32,149 --> 01:54:30,159
no sayers they will look at it and say

2968
01:54:33,430 --> 01:54:32,159
oh look there is nothing being found of

2969
01:54:35,750 --> 01:54:33,440
course there is nothing being found if

2970
01:54:37,510 --> 01:54:35,760
you don't fund the search and if you

2971
01:54:39,189 --> 01:54:37,520
don't allow young people to get into it

2972
01:54:40,390 --> 01:54:39,199
because of the

2973
01:54:43,430 --> 01:54:40,400
uh

2974
01:54:44,310 --> 01:54:43,440
intellectual climate that suppresses it

2975
01:54:45,990 --> 01:54:44,320
then

2976
01:54:48,149 --> 01:54:46,000
there will never be progress it's just

2977
01:54:50,390 --> 01:54:48,159
like burying your head in the sand

2978
01:54:52,470 --> 01:54:50,400
and my point is that the public is

2979
01:54:55,430 --> 01:54:52,480
extremely interested in this question

2980
01:54:57,430 --> 01:54:55,440
the public is funding science how dare

2981
01:54:59,830 --> 01:54:57,440
the scientists say we have the

2982
01:55:01,830 --> 01:54:59,840
technology to search for such things but

2983
01:55:04,470 --> 01:55:01,840
we don't want to discuss it

2984
01:55:06,629 --> 01:55:04,480
i think it's completely inappropriate if

2985
01:55:08,229 --> 01:55:06,639
the public is interested

2986
01:55:09,750 --> 01:55:08,239
and the science community can address

2987
01:55:12,070 --> 01:55:09,760
this subject

2988
01:55:13,589 --> 01:55:12,080
it should be mainstream

2989
01:55:15,750 --> 01:55:13,599
and then when you look at the

2990
01:55:16,550 --> 01:55:15,760
theoretical physics

2991
01:55:19,830 --> 01:55:16,560
uh

2992
01:55:21,910 --> 01:55:19,840
right now a huge community of very

2993
01:55:25,189 --> 01:55:21,920
talented young people

2994
01:55:27,589 --> 01:55:25,199
work on concepts that have no

2995
01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:27,599
connection to reality no experimental

2996
01:55:33,589 --> 01:55:30,000
verification they work on extra

2997
01:55:35,589 --> 01:55:33,599
dimensions they work on string theory

2998
01:55:38,149 --> 01:55:35,599
and you know many popularizers of

2999
01:55:40,149 --> 01:55:38,159
science talk about you know the frontier

3000
01:55:42,550 --> 01:55:40,159
of physics is extra dimensions the

3001
01:55:44,390 --> 01:55:42,560
frontier of physics is string theory

3002
01:55:47,109 --> 01:55:44,400
but these are concepts for which there

3003
01:55:49,589 --> 01:55:47,119
is no experimental evidence

3004
01:55:51,430 --> 01:55:49,599
and they have been working on these for

3005
01:55:53,270 --> 01:55:51,440
several decades

3006
01:55:55,830 --> 01:55:53,280
and my point is if that is the

3007
01:55:58,310 --> 01:55:55,840
mainstream for which awards are given

3008
01:56:00,149 --> 01:55:58,320
for which you can get a job

3009
01:56:02,550 --> 01:56:00,159
then something is distorted in the cut

3010
01:56:05,430 --> 01:56:02,560
scientific culture because there is a

3011
01:56:08,070 --> 01:56:05,440
significant component of the theoretical

3012
01:56:10,470 --> 01:56:08,080
physics community working on things that

3013
01:56:12,229 --> 01:56:10,480
the public doesn't really understand

3014
01:56:15,510 --> 01:56:12,239
that have no connection to reality

3015
01:56:16,629 --> 01:56:15,520
because they were never tested

3016
01:56:18,470 --> 01:56:16,639
whereas

3017
01:56:20,870 --> 01:56:18,480
the same mainstream community is

3018
01:56:22,950 --> 01:56:20,880
dismissing a subject that is of interest

3019
01:56:24,310 --> 01:56:22,960
to the public and on which we can get

3020
01:56:25,990 --> 01:56:24,320
data

3021
01:56:28,070 --> 01:56:26,000
so how can you have both things at the

3022
01:56:31,990 --> 01:56:28,080
same time that makes no sense something

3023
01:56:34,470 --> 01:56:32,000
is unhealthy in the current culture

3024
01:56:37,109 --> 01:56:34,480
of theoretical physics and

3025
01:56:39,830 --> 01:56:37,119
you know i am just

3026
01:56:40,950 --> 01:56:39,840
straightforward in that i'm saying

3027
01:56:43,910 --> 01:56:40,960
these things

3028
01:56:44,950 --> 01:56:43,920
based on what i see

3029
01:56:46,950 --> 01:56:44,960
and

3030
01:56:48,550 --> 01:56:46,960
of course that will not be a popular

3031
01:56:50,390 --> 01:56:48,560
view because all these people that work

3032
01:56:51,270 --> 01:56:50,400
on these things will

3033
01:56:55,589 --> 01:56:51,280
you know

3034
01:57:00,390 --> 01:56:57,990
amen he's like the king of dropping the

3035
01:57:02,310 --> 01:57:00,400
mic i swear he's like got it down to the

3036
01:57:04,390 --> 01:57:02,320
science i love it um i do want to take

3037
01:57:06,310 --> 01:57:04,400
just a moment to thank anonymous rex and

3038
01:57:09,030 --> 01:57:06,320
mons for the super chats thank you guys

3039
01:57:12,310 --> 01:57:09,040
i appreciate the support um and for you

3040
01:57:14,709 --> 01:57:12,320
watching tonight um but yeah i mean

3041
01:57:16,870 --> 01:57:14,719
the contradictions he points out in

3042
01:57:18,149 --> 01:57:16,880
mainstream science always

3043
01:57:21,669 --> 01:57:18,159
anger me

3044
01:57:22,629 --> 01:57:21,679
time he

3045
01:57:25,109 --> 01:57:22,639
um

3046
01:57:28,790 --> 01:57:25,119
goes on a show and shows how passionate

3047
01:57:31,350 --> 01:57:28,800
he is about uh what he wants to uncover

3048
01:57:33,430 --> 01:57:31,360
and discover um it gives me so much hope

3049
01:57:35,430 --> 01:57:33,440
again like i mentioned earlier in this

3050
01:57:37,750 --> 01:57:35,440
this live stream of what comes after

3051
01:57:40,709 --> 01:57:37,760
avilobe who's gonna be inspired by what

3052
01:57:42,709 --> 01:57:40,719
he says and take it that step further so

3053
01:57:45,750 --> 01:57:42,719
yeah what do you guys think of avi loeb

3054
01:57:47,270 --> 01:57:45,760
and everything he's done this past year

3055
01:57:48,470 --> 01:57:47,280
jane

3056
01:57:50,550 --> 01:57:48,480
yeah well

3057
01:57:53,109 --> 01:57:50,560
a big highlight was the washington

3058
01:57:55,510 --> 01:57:53,119
cathedral chat which you know there are

3059
01:57:57,910 --> 01:57:55,520
some other really notable people there

3060
01:57:58,870 --> 01:57:57,920
too who said some notable things but avi

3061
01:58:02,310 --> 01:57:58,880
loeb

3062
01:58:03,510 --> 01:58:02,320
really kind of brought down the house

3063
01:58:05,589 --> 01:58:03,520
in a church

3064
01:58:08,790 --> 01:58:05,599
suggesting

3065
01:58:12,390 --> 01:58:08,800
god or slash gods in

3066
01:58:15,510 --> 01:58:12,400
in the bible could be aliens

3067
01:58:16,950 --> 01:58:15,520
and nobody got upset at him nobody booed

3068
01:58:18,950 --> 01:58:16,960
him

3069
01:58:21,109 --> 01:58:18,960
so i think

3070
01:58:25,030 --> 01:58:21,119
and you know and he's also of course the

3071
01:58:27,750 --> 01:58:25,040
messenger of this idea of the umuah this

3072
01:58:31,589 --> 01:58:27,760
big rock through space actually being a

3073
01:58:33,430 --> 01:58:31,599
spaceship and so i think he's a really

3074
01:58:37,109 --> 01:58:33,440
fascinating guy

3075
01:58:39,669 --> 01:58:37,119
with his you know harvard pedigree and

3076
01:58:41,189 --> 01:58:39,679
his reputation on the line to be saving

3077
01:58:45,109 --> 01:58:41,199
some really

3078
01:58:48,790 --> 01:58:45,119
outrageous things really that don't

3079
01:58:51,030 --> 01:58:48,800
really on on its face you know neither

3080
01:58:54,149 --> 01:58:51,040
of those things have this scientific

3081
01:58:56,550 --> 01:58:54,159
body of evidence right that to to

3082
01:58:59,910 --> 01:58:56,560
support these are ancient aliens these

3083
01:59:02,390 --> 01:58:59,920
are history channel ideas but he's

3084
01:59:03,430 --> 01:59:02,400
saying them and so people listen

3085
01:59:06,390 --> 01:59:03,440
you know in a way that they wouldn't

3086
01:59:09,030 --> 01:59:06,400
listen necessarily to um

3087
01:59:11,270 --> 01:59:09,040
uh sucralose you know the guy with the

3088
01:59:12,790 --> 01:59:11,280
hair you know even though he's saying

3089
01:59:16,070 --> 01:59:12,800
kind of the same thing

3090
01:59:19,189 --> 01:59:16,080
so i i think that that's what so i'm

3091
01:59:22,629 --> 01:59:19,199
fascinated with with avi loeb and

3092
01:59:24,870 --> 01:59:22,639
uh he's definitely gonna be a big player

3093
01:59:26,870 --> 01:59:24,880
going into this uh

3094
01:59:28,550 --> 01:59:26,880
new year for sure

3095
01:59:31,830 --> 01:59:28,560
so no doubt

3096
01:59:32,790 --> 01:59:31,840
yeah um the galileo bro project is gonna

3097
01:59:34,790 --> 01:59:32,800
be

3098
01:59:36,950 --> 01:59:34,800
something you know something next

3099
01:59:39,350 --> 01:59:36,960
something's gonna come out of it

3100
01:59:41,109 --> 01:59:39,360
that this is one of those areas where

3101
01:59:42,030 --> 01:59:41,119
rare case where jane and i are gonna be

3102
01:59:45,669 --> 01:59:42,040
almost

3103
01:59:47,030 --> 01:59:45,679
180 percent disagreeing yeah oh give it

3104
01:59:48,470 --> 01:59:47,040
to us i love it

3105
01:59:50,870 --> 01:59:48,480
oh no uh

3106
01:59:52,070 --> 01:59:50,880
ed i don't say that as an insult but i i

3107
01:59:53,270 --> 01:59:52,080
do think

3108
01:59:55,830 --> 01:59:53,280
i i've been

3109
01:59:59,270 --> 01:59:55,840
a big fan of avi loeb um i'm a

3110
02:00:01,589 --> 01:59:59,280
contributor of the galileo project uh i

3111
02:00:02,470 --> 02:00:01,599
i like the work he's been doing

3112
02:00:04,950 --> 02:00:02,480
but

3113
02:00:07,910 --> 02:00:04,960
his work like so many things in the ufo

3114
02:00:10,470 --> 02:00:07,920
field gets sort of interpreted uh

3115
02:00:12,790 --> 02:00:10,480
interpreted and lionized

3116
02:00:14,070 --> 02:00:12,800
and storied

3117
02:00:16,629 --> 02:00:14,080
to where

3118
02:00:18,310 --> 02:00:16,639
a lot of people talk about it in ways

3119
02:00:19,669 --> 02:00:18,320
that don't reflect what he's actually

3120
02:00:21,270 --> 02:00:19,679
said

3121
02:00:23,510 --> 02:00:21,280
and uh

3122
02:00:24,950 --> 02:00:23,520
over at ucr you know

3123
02:00:27,270 --> 02:00:24,960
we've talked to him

3124
02:00:29,750 --> 02:00:27,280
um

3125
02:00:32,629 --> 02:00:29,760
avi love is not somebody who's out there

3126
02:00:34,149 --> 02:00:32,639
saying the aliens are here

3127
02:00:37,189 --> 02:00:34,159
they're among us people are being

3128
02:00:38,070 --> 02:00:37,199
abducted it doesn't say anything like

3129
02:00:40,790 --> 02:00:38,080
that

3130
02:00:43,990 --> 02:00:40,800
and i think it's important to

3131
02:00:45,430 --> 02:00:44,000
keep in mind and keep in context

3132
02:00:48,550 --> 02:00:45,440
and frame

3133
02:00:51,189 --> 02:00:48,560
what he's actually said and i do not say

3134
02:00:52,950 --> 02:00:51,199
anything to detract from him i think the

3135
02:00:54,629 --> 02:00:52,960
work he wants to do

3136
02:00:57,990 --> 02:00:54,639
is important

3137
02:01:00,950 --> 02:00:58,000
avilope never said that amumua

3138
02:01:03,350 --> 02:01:00,960
was an extraterrestrial craft

3139
02:01:04,790 --> 02:01:03,360
he said it had characteristics

3140
02:01:06,550 --> 02:01:04,800
that might

3141
02:01:07,910 --> 02:01:06,560
demonstrate something

3142
02:01:10,070 --> 02:01:07,920
that could show something that couldn't

3143
02:01:11,669 --> 02:01:10,080
be explained

3144
02:01:13,510 --> 02:01:11,679
in normal fashion

3145
02:01:15,270 --> 02:01:13,520
he's never said

3146
02:01:18,550 --> 02:01:15,280
oh there's aliens coming from other

3147
02:01:20,390 --> 02:01:18,560
places he said it's a vast universe

3148
02:01:24,229 --> 02:01:20,400
there's a lot of things out there we

3149
02:01:26,870 --> 02:01:24,239
need to go and look he has an open mind

3150
02:01:28,310 --> 02:01:26,880
but he's not somebody who's an e.t

3151
02:01:31,109 --> 02:01:28,320
believer

3152
02:01:33,830 --> 02:01:31,119
he has never once to my knowledge

3153
02:01:37,109 --> 02:01:33,840
listeners correct us if i'm wrong

3154
02:01:39,990 --> 02:01:37,119
he's never once said i have any direct

3155
02:01:42,149 --> 02:01:40,000
evidence that there's an extra presence

3156
02:01:44,550 --> 02:01:42,159
i i have no evidence that there's

3157
02:01:46,629 --> 02:01:44,560
intelligent life anywhere else

3158
02:01:48,470 --> 02:01:46,639
i'm looking for evidence

3159
02:01:51,270 --> 02:01:48,480
and he started a program

3160
02:01:54,709 --> 02:01:51,280
where he's not saying i'm looking for

3161
02:01:57,109 --> 02:01:54,719
aliens i'm looking for grays

3162
02:01:58,950 --> 02:01:57,119
no he wants to collect evidence of

3163
02:02:00,950 --> 02:01:58,960
anomalous things

3164
02:02:03,030 --> 02:02:00,960
and say let's get the data and see what

3165
02:02:04,790 --> 02:02:03,040
that's going on

3166
02:02:07,830 --> 02:02:04,800
and i appreciate that

3167
02:02:11,910 --> 02:02:07,840
but i think a lot of people sort of

3168
02:02:15,910 --> 02:02:14,070
their own hopes that he's like

3169
02:02:18,950 --> 02:02:15,920
here's our champion from harvard that's

3170
02:02:21,510 --> 02:02:18,960
saying the aliens are here he's never

3171
02:02:23,669 --> 02:02:21,520
said it he's never come close to saying

3172
02:02:25,589 --> 02:02:23,679
it he's just saying

3173
02:02:27,189 --> 02:02:25,599
it's a big magnificent universe with a

3174
02:02:28,310 --> 02:02:27,199
lot of weird [\h__\h]

3175
02:02:30,229 --> 02:02:28,320
and

3176
02:02:32,709 --> 02:02:30,239
we should be acting like scientists

3177
02:02:33,430 --> 02:02:32,719
collecting data and see where the text

3178
02:02:36,629 --> 02:02:33,440
is

3179
02:02:38,149 --> 02:02:36,639
that's really all he's ever said and i

3180
02:02:40,310 --> 02:02:38,159
appreciate that about him

3181
02:02:41,030 --> 02:02:40,320
but people who project too much onto

3182
02:02:41,830 --> 02:02:41,040
them

3183
02:02:45,030 --> 02:02:41,840
like

3184
02:02:47,510 --> 02:02:45,040
hey amumua that was a light sale

3185
02:02:50,390 --> 02:02:47,520
he never said it was a light sale he

3186
02:02:52,870 --> 02:02:50,400
said that's one possible explanation

3187
02:02:54,390 --> 02:02:52,880
he has admitted in interviews

3188
02:02:55,430 --> 02:02:54,400
to other possibilities that might

3189
02:02:58,229 --> 02:02:55,440
explain

3190
02:03:00,229 --> 02:02:58,239
the very minor discrepancies in a momoa

3191
02:03:01,750 --> 02:03:00,239
and its actions that could account for

3192
02:03:03,750 --> 02:03:01,760
that too

3193
02:03:06,390 --> 02:03:03,760
but he was the guy who was willing to go

3194
02:03:08,550 --> 02:03:06,400
but let's not rule this other stuff out

3195
02:03:10,709 --> 02:03:08,560
could be right

3196
02:03:11,669 --> 02:03:10,719
that's really as far as avilab has ever

3197
02:03:14,550 --> 02:03:11,679
gone

3198
02:03:16,149 --> 02:03:14,560
and as a harvard scientist that's all

3199
02:03:18,790 --> 02:03:16,159
i'd ask from him

3200
02:03:19,669 --> 02:03:18,800
but people who read too much into it

3201
02:03:21,830 --> 02:03:19,679
like

3202
02:03:24,390 --> 02:03:21,840
this is the guy that's leading the you

3203
02:03:26,629 --> 02:03:24,400
know effort to disclosure

3204
02:03:28,550 --> 02:03:26,639
no he's really not he's just saying

3205
02:03:29,830 --> 02:03:28,560
follow the science because he's a

3206
02:03:32,950 --> 02:03:29,840
scientist

3207
02:03:35,350 --> 02:03:32,960
so let's all embrace that but not read

3208
02:03:37,270 --> 02:03:35,360
too much into it if that's the message i

3209
02:03:39,109 --> 02:03:37,280
could put out about that interview clip

3210
02:03:41,189 --> 02:03:39,119
that's the one i would put out

3211
02:03:44,229 --> 02:03:41,199
don't love that don't don't try to make

3212
02:03:46,550 --> 02:03:44,239
him too much of a disclosure hero

3213
02:03:49,430 --> 02:03:46,560
yeah he's a reality hero

3214
02:03:51,750 --> 02:03:49,440
he's a science hero

3215
02:03:54,790 --> 02:03:51,760
that's my take on avila

3216
02:03:57,030 --> 02:03:54,800
i love it and again i think it mirrors

3217
02:03:59,270 --> 02:03:57,040
john mack a lot of people were wishing

3218
02:04:00,950 --> 02:03:59,280
and hoping that he was saying yes alien

3219
02:04:03,109 --> 02:04:00,960
abductions are real physically they're

3220
02:04:04,950 --> 02:04:03,119
being kidnapped by aliens and he never

3221
02:04:07,189 --> 02:04:04,960
wanted him to be that and he never said

3222
02:04:09,750 --> 02:04:07,199
that he said these people experience

3223
02:04:13,189 --> 02:04:09,760
something um that they believe is real

3224
02:04:15,990 --> 02:04:13,199
and is truly mysterious and they're not

3225
02:04:18,390 --> 02:04:16,000
unstable they haven't been abused as

3226
02:04:20,310 --> 02:04:18,400
children these aren't like memories

3227
02:04:22,550 --> 02:04:20,320
being you know falsely implanted

3228
02:04:24,229 --> 02:04:22,560
something is going on and i think obvi

3229
02:04:26,310 --> 02:04:24,239
is of the same mind so i agree with you

3230
02:04:28,470 --> 02:04:26,320
jazz i think he's very careful with his

3231
02:04:30,950 --> 02:04:28,480
words as he should be and that's what's

3232
02:04:33,109 --> 02:04:30,960
going to get avi lope far is he's not

3233
02:04:35,830 --> 02:04:33,119
saying this he's a scientist he's

3234
02:04:38,149 --> 02:04:35,840
following the science

3235
02:04:40,870 --> 02:04:38,159
and a lot of us become believers i'm

3236
02:04:42,069 --> 02:04:40,880
guilty of it now myself me too he's not

3237
02:04:43,189 --> 02:04:42,079
a believer

3238
02:04:45,510 --> 02:04:43,199
he's

3239
02:04:47,830 --> 02:04:45,520
somebody that's viewing the data and

3240
02:04:49,750 --> 02:04:47,840
saying let's be open to possibilities

3241
02:04:51,830 --> 02:04:49,760
it's an infinite universe

3242
02:04:53,589 --> 02:04:51,840
i think that's avi's best message for

3243
02:04:55,350 --> 02:04:53,599
everyone and that's that's what i would

3244
02:04:56,390 --> 02:04:55,360
leave everyone with

3245
02:04:58,470 --> 02:04:56,400
love it

3246
02:05:01,430 --> 02:04:58,480
well jane i know you got to get out of

3247
02:05:03,589 --> 02:05:01,440
here jess too um awesome awesome i'm

3248
02:05:05,109 --> 02:05:03,599
going to say good night to you guys um

3249
02:05:07,270 --> 02:05:05,119
i've got a few more here we're going to

3250
02:05:08,870 --> 02:05:07,280
get to our most popular episodes but i

3251
02:05:10,870 --> 02:05:08,880
want to thank you both for taking the

3252
02:05:12,149 --> 02:05:10,880
time to come on here tonight i know

3253
02:05:14,310 --> 02:05:12,159
everyone's really busy during the

3254
02:05:16,790 --> 02:05:14,320
holidays leading into the new year um

3255
02:05:17,990 --> 02:05:16,800
but before we go one last question for

3256
02:05:22,709 --> 02:05:18,000
both of you

3257
02:05:26,709 --> 02:05:22,719
um who is your ufo researcher or ufo

3258
02:05:29,109 --> 02:05:26,719
personality of 2021 jane i know you kind

3259
02:05:31,109 --> 02:05:29,119
of gave us yours already good i think i

3260
02:05:32,870 --> 02:05:31,119
i think i'll just put you on the spot

3261
02:05:34,790 --> 02:05:32,880
man you're going to keep yours brandon

3262
02:05:38,870 --> 02:05:34,800
for you go awesome yeah

3263
02:05:43,669 --> 02:05:41,030
curious i was not expecting this

3264
02:05:47,270 --> 02:05:43,679
question i know you weren't

3265
02:05:51,910 --> 02:05:48,390
god there's

3266
02:05:53,350 --> 02:05:51,920
so many people who have done so

3267
02:05:54,709 --> 02:05:53,360
much

3268
02:05:56,629 --> 02:05:54,719
and

3269
02:05:58,550 --> 02:05:56,639
i guess

3270
02:06:00,310 --> 02:05:58,560
if i was going to be a suck-up i would

3271
02:06:02,390 --> 02:06:00,320
say you because you've done a lot but

3272
02:06:04,709 --> 02:06:02,400
i'm not going to do that right

3273
02:06:06,550 --> 02:06:04,719
um if i was going to be another suck up

3274
02:06:07,990 --> 02:06:06,560
i would say luis

3275
02:06:10,709 --> 02:06:08,000
uh because

3276
02:06:11,990 --> 02:06:10,719
you guys nominated luis

3277
02:06:16,390 --> 02:06:12,000
i could also

3278
02:06:19,589 --> 02:06:16,400
certainly nominate micah hanks

3279
02:06:24,790 --> 02:06:21,669
i'm gonna go with my gangs

3280
02:06:26,790 --> 02:06:24,800
awesome mike is awesome i mean again the

3281
02:06:30,550 --> 02:06:26,800
brainchild of the debrief one of the

3282
02:06:32,629 --> 02:06:30,560
most in my maybe biased personal opinion

3283
02:06:35,270 --> 02:06:32,639
one of the most credible news outlets

3284
02:06:37,350 --> 02:06:35,280
covering uap right now and many other

3285
02:06:38,950 --> 02:06:37,360
things his brain as well like he has a

3286
02:06:41,669 --> 02:06:38,960
photo oh my god

3287
02:06:43,430 --> 02:06:41,679
the guys the guy is psychopathic

3288
02:06:44,790 --> 02:06:43,440
it's crazy it's not just that he's

3289
02:06:47,830 --> 02:06:44,800
encyclopedic

3290
02:06:49,990 --> 02:06:47,840
the guy never stops working i don't know

3291
02:06:52,149 --> 02:06:50,000
when he sleeps

3292
02:06:53,910 --> 02:06:52,159
the number he doesn't i shared a i

3293
02:06:55,910 --> 02:06:53,920
shared a hotel room with him jess he

3294
02:06:58,950 --> 02:06:55,920
doesn't sleep

3295
02:07:01,910 --> 02:06:58,960
he runs on cafe guys going constantly

3296
02:07:04,790 --> 02:07:01,920
and i i don't want to disrespect anybody

3297
02:07:06,229 --> 02:07:04,800
else out of all the amazing people

3298
02:07:07,990 --> 02:07:06,239
out there because there have been so

3299
02:07:11,109 --> 02:07:08,000
many amazing people

3300
02:07:14,709 --> 02:07:11,119
but yeah micah micah deserves i think

3301
02:07:16,310 --> 02:07:14,719
he's not an unsung hero but he's zero

3302
02:07:17,910 --> 02:07:16,320
that could be more sung than he

3303
02:07:20,229 --> 02:07:17,920
sometimes is

3304
02:07:22,950 --> 02:07:20,239
so yeah i'm gonna go with micah

3305
02:07:24,390 --> 02:07:22,960
i love that i love that awesome jane

3306
02:07:25,510 --> 02:07:24,400
tell us where we can find everything

3307
02:07:27,189 --> 02:07:25,520
you're up to

3308
02:07:30,550 --> 02:07:27,199
yeah so you should be able to search ufo

3309
02:07:32,149 --> 02:07:30,560
jane on various places on youtube like i

3310
02:07:33,990 --> 02:07:32,159
said i'll be post like i hinted at

3311
02:07:36,390 --> 02:07:34,000
earlier i'll be posting uh

3312
02:07:37,669 --> 02:07:36,400
some highlights from the year

3313
02:07:38,790 --> 02:07:37,679
and then

3314
02:07:40,629 --> 02:07:38,800
um

3315
02:07:43,430 --> 02:07:40,639
the jason mcclellan interview i've been

3316
02:07:46,229 --> 02:07:43,440
talking about for months

3317
02:07:48,790 --> 02:07:46,239
because it got it paused and then i got

3318
02:07:51,109 --> 02:07:48,800
sick and um so we're gonna start out the

3319
02:07:53,669 --> 02:07:51,119
new year we're bringing the weird ufo

3320
02:07:56,790 --> 02:07:53,679
show back so that's coming soon so

3321
02:07:58,310 --> 02:07:56,800
please subscribe and a big fan of the

3322
02:08:01,669 --> 02:07:58,320
weird ufo show

3323
02:08:04,950 --> 02:08:01,679
oh thanks jess you're gonna like uh

3324
02:08:07,189 --> 02:08:04,960
well i mean i won't say but

3325
02:08:10,470 --> 02:08:07,199
jazz has jazz's theories have been

3326
02:08:12,550 --> 02:08:10,480
considered in the next episode that's

3327
02:08:14,229 --> 02:08:12,560
dropping oh it's going to be dolphins i

3328
02:08:15,510 --> 02:08:14,239
was going to say offense well i'm not

3329
02:08:18,310 --> 02:08:15,520
going to say

3330
02:08:22,950 --> 02:08:19,990
awesome well thank you jane thank you

3331
02:08:25,430 --> 02:08:22,960
for coming tonight um feel better happy

3332
02:08:28,709 --> 02:08:25,440
new year and uh we'll talk to you soon

3333
02:08:30,790 --> 02:08:28,719
always a pleasure follow jane

3334
02:08:32,870 --> 02:08:30,800
jazz give it to us my man where can we

3335
02:08:35,430 --> 02:08:32,880
find everything you're up to

3336
02:08:37,750 --> 02:08:35,440
and um yeah yeah tell us

3337
02:08:38,790 --> 02:08:37,760
i'm not hard to find i'm at jazz on

3338
02:08:41,430 --> 02:08:38,800
twitter

3339
02:08:43,270 --> 02:08:41,440
uh i'm on sale on media i'm a writer at

3340
02:08:44,870 --> 02:08:43,280
the debrief along with you

3341
02:08:47,030 --> 02:08:44,880
um i'm

3342
02:08:48,229 --> 02:08:47,040
wow i had a big day working an article

3343
02:08:49,030 --> 02:08:48,239
it's going to be on the new bridge next

3344
02:08:50,790 --> 02:08:49,040
week

3345
02:08:53,109 --> 02:08:50,800
that you're really going to enjoy but we

3346
02:08:55,910 --> 02:08:53,119
can't talk about it yet sadly oh

3347
02:08:59,510 --> 02:08:55,920
uh oh it's about even a little

3348
02:09:02,870 --> 02:08:59,520
it's about an old ufo case for michigan

3349
02:09:05,030 --> 02:09:02,880
that okay i i got somebody to talk about

3350
02:09:05,910 --> 02:09:05,040
something that

3351
02:09:07,750 --> 02:09:05,920
well

3352
02:09:09,270 --> 02:09:07,760
it's an old ufo case that was already

3353
02:09:10,709 --> 02:09:09,280
big but

3354
02:09:12,310 --> 02:09:10,719
you're going to read something new that

3355
02:09:14,950 --> 02:09:12,320
you never heard before

3356
02:09:17,589 --> 02:09:14,960
so so that's fun so look at the debrief

3357
02:09:19,669 --> 02:09:17,599
uh look at salem media uh

3358
02:09:21,510 --> 02:09:19,679
at jeshon twitter

3359
02:09:24,149 --> 02:09:21,520
i don't have a paid channel or anything

3360
02:09:25,350 --> 02:09:24,159
if anybody wants to send any money and

3361
02:09:27,669 --> 02:09:25,360
support me

3362
02:09:29,990 --> 02:09:27,679
do me a favor right now

3363
02:09:32,790 --> 02:09:30,000
check that off i'm fine

3364
02:09:34,790 --> 02:09:32,800
send it to send senator ryan

3365
02:09:36,629 --> 02:09:34,800
send it to somewhere skies

3366
02:09:37,669 --> 02:09:36,639
you know he could use it guys doing a

3367
02:09:39,750 --> 02:09:37,679
lot of work

3368
02:09:42,629 --> 02:09:39,760
i'm pretty much into retirement at this

3369
02:09:45,430 --> 02:09:42,639
point my house is paid for i'm good

3370
02:09:48,149 --> 02:09:45,440
help these guys i'm old help the young

3371
02:09:50,790 --> 02:09:48,159
people who are doing this work

3372
02:09:51,990 --> 02:09:50,800
help ryan's break so that's that's my

3373
02:09:54,149 --> 02:09:52,000
advice

3374
02:09:56,069 --> 02:09:54,159
thanks brother i really appreciate that

3375
02:09:58,550 --> 02:09:56,079
and i appreciate everything you do um

3376
02:10:01,350 --> 02:09:58,560
you're one of the most grounded voices

3377
02:10:04,069 --> 02:10:01,360
in this topic right now and we need that

3378
02:10:07,109 --> 02:10:04,079
um so that we don't you know i always

3379
02:10:09,589 --> 02:10:07,119
say keep our feet on the ground um

3380
02:10:12,310 --> 02:10:09,599
somewhere in the skies exactly i knew

3381
02:10:14,550 --> 02:10:12,320
you know what and i'm one of the people

3382
02:10:16,149 --> 02:10:14,560
who followed his advice

3383
02:10:17,830 --> 02:10:16,159
and in the last year

3384
02:10:19,830 --> 02:10:17,840
i saw stuff

3385
02:10:21,589 --> 02:10:19,840
keep looking you can

3386
02:10:23,350 --> 02:10:21,599
see things

3387
02:10:25,669 --> 02:10:23,360
ah i love that i couldn't think of a

3388
02:10:26,950 --> 02:10:25,679
better way to wrap up jazz shaw's

3389
02:10:29,189 --> 02:10:26,960
appearance here on somewhere in the

3390
02:10:31,430 --> 02:10:29,199
skies have a great night happy new year

3391
02:10:33,830 --> 02:10:31,440
to you and your happy new year sir

3392
02:10:36,870 --> 02:10:33,840
absolutely we'll talk to you soon

3393
02:10:42,950 --> 02:10:39,589
amazing thank you thank you so much to

3394
02:10:44,870 --> 02:10:42,960
jack shaw ufo jane and luis jimenez for

3395
02:10:46,950 --> 02:10:44,880
hopping in tonight and being a part of

3396
02:10:49,270 --> 02:10:46,960
this top 10 which we're not done with

3397
02:10:51,750 --> 02:10:49,280
yet so stick with me guys i've got the

3398
02:10:53,669 --> 02:10:51,760
top three coming up for you here of um

3399
02:10:56,629 --> 02:10:53,679
somewhere in the skies this past year

3400
02:11:01,430 --> 02:10:56,639
and um let's do it let's move right on

3401
02:11:02,709 --> 02:11:01,440
to our next one here this is going to be

3402
02:11:08,870 --> 02:11:02,719
number

3403
02:11:13,030 --> 02:11:11,189
and bear with me here um this clip is a

3404
02:11:15,350 --> 02:11:13,040
little bit longer than three minutes

3405
02:11:17,589 --> 02:11:15,360
which my program doesn't allow me to

3406
02:11:19,990 --> 02:11:17,599
upload into the program so i'm gonna

3407
02:11:21,990 --> 02:11:20,000
have to go ahead and uh

3408
02:11:27,990 --> 02:11:22,000
and pull this up

3409
02:11:32,470 --> 02:11:30,310
awesome but before i do that let's give

3410
02:11:34,229 --> 02:11:32,480
you guys a little info on who it is this

3411
02:11:36,390 --> 02:11:34,239
was episode 220 of somewhere in the

3412
02:11:39,270 --> 02:11:36,400
skies this was a conversation with

3413
02:11:41,830 --> 02:11:39,280
witnesses military ufo uap

3414
02:11:45,750 --> 02:11:41,840
encounters this was one of my

3415
02:11:47,430 --> 02:11:45,760
like my my dream panels to do and i was

3416
02:11:49,750 --> 02:11:47,440
able to do it for contact in the desert

3417
02:11:51,830 --> 02:11:49,760
this past year and also rebroadcast it

3418
02:11:53,669 --> 02:11:51,840
on summer in the skies and it was our

3419
02:11:56,149 --> 02:11:53,679
third most downloaded episode of the

3420
02:11:57,990 --> 02:11:56,159
year um this is um

3421
02:11:59,750 --> 02:11:58,000
three navy servicemen who witnessed

3422
02:12:02,870 --> 02:11:59,760
certain aspects of both the tic tac

3423
02:12:05,510 --> 02:12:02,880
event and the go fast event our guests

3424
02:12:07,830 --> 02:12:05,520
were gary voorhees jason turner and

3425
02:12:09,510 --> 02:12:07,840
matthew roberts and i wanted to bring

3426
02:12:12,069 --> 02:12:09,520
these guys on to show that military

3427
02:12:14,470 --> 02:12:12,079
witnesses are just as human as our

3428
02:12:16,629 --> 02:12:14,480
civilians are when it comes to how ufo

3429
02:12:18,229 --> 02:12:16,639
events affect our lives so i'm going to

3430
02:12:20,470 --> 02:12:18,239
go ahead and play this clip from that

3431
02:12:23,589 --> 02:12:20,480
panel for you right now and i'll see on

3432
02:12:28,470 --> 02:12:25,830
because at the time in 2015 i thought

3433
02:12:31,350 --> 02:12:28,480
well you know if this is

3434
02:12:33,510 --> 02:12:31,360
a part of some program i'm not read into

3435
02:12:35,030 --> 02:12:33,520
it and i'll never know anyway and this

3436
02:12:37,189 --> 02:12:35,040
footage is never going to see the light

3437
02:12:39,589 --> 02:12:37,199
of day so this is the last

3438
02:12:41,990 --> 02:12:39,599
i'll ever see of it

3439
02:12:43,830 --> 02:12:42,000
but what really kind of

3440
02:12:45,990 --> 02:12:43,840
started things to go in a different

3441
02:12:48,149 --> 02:12:46,000
direction for me was you know the new

3442
02:12:50,550 --> 02:12:48,159
york times article and to the stars

3443
02:12:52,390 --> 02:12:50,560
academy um

3444
02:12:54,229 --> 02:12:52,400
those people to me

3445
02:12:56,310 --> 02:12:54,239
uh carried with them

3446
02:12:58,069 --> 02:12:56,320
a certain amount of credibility

3447
02:12:59,990 --> 02:12:58,079
um and so

3448
02:13:02,470 --> 02:13:00,000
these guys from to the stars chris

3449
02:13:03,750 --> 02:13:02,480
mellon lou elizondo

3450
02:13:04,870 --> 02:13:03,760
all these heavy hitters from the

3451
02:13:06,310 --> 02:13:04,880
pentagon

3452
02:13:09,270 --> 02:13:06,320
i thought well there's got to be

3453
02:13:10,950 --> 02:13:09,280
something there in this book uh this

3454
02:13:12,229 --> 02:13:10,960
can't just be

3455
02:13:13,830 --> 02:13:12,239
nonsense

3456
02:13:15,669 --> 02:13:13,840
you know

3457
02:13:17,270 --> 02:13:15,679
and so then that's when i started to

3458
02:13:19,750 --> 02:13:17,280
think well you know this whole

3459
02:13:23,430 --> 02:13:19,760
everything we called paranormal

3460
02:13:24,870 --> 02:13:23,440
is also linked to this somehow obviously

3461
02:13:26,470 --> 02:13:24,880
uh and so that

3462
02:13:29,589 --> 02:13:26,480
that really just

3463
02:13:31,030 --> 02:13:29,599
shifted my entire world view right there

3464
02:13:32,470 --> 02:13:31,040
that was that was it that was the

3465
02:13:35,109 --> 02:13:32,480
beginning

3466
02:13:37,030 --> 02:13:35,119
you know once once it all transpired and

3467
02:13:40,149 --> 02:13:37,040
then everything just kind of dwindled

3468
02:13:41,830 --> 02:13:40,159
down after the event that happened

3469
02:13:43,430 --> 02:13:41,840
i pretty much just

3470
02:13:46,550 --> 02:13:43,440
you know put it on the back burner and

3471
02:13:48,390 --> 02:13:46,560
and until what a couple years ago when

3472
02:13:50,229 --> 02:13:48,400
when the new york times article come out

3473
02:13:53,910 --> 02:13:50,239
and that was when it was like

3474
02:13:56,629 --> 02:13:53,920
okay so there is something to this um

3475
02:13:59,109 --> 02:13:56,639
you know and i think for me it

3476
02:14:01,350 --> 02:13:59,119
it it hasn't really changed like

3477
02:14:02,149 --> 02:14:01,360
who i am as far as

3478
02:14:05,589 --> 02:14:02,159
like

3479
02:14:08,470 --> 02:14:05,599
my interest in in the subject

3480
02:14:14,229 --> 02:14:10,550
my specific incident

3481
02:14:16,629 --> 02:14:14,239
alone um i try not to think outside of

3482
02:14:18,629 --> 02:14:16,639
this one particular incident because i

3483
02:14:20,550 --> 02:14:18,639
can really get overwhelmed with it and

3484
02:14:22,629 --> 02:14:20,560
and i don't like chasing the rabbits

3485
02:14:24,629 --> 02:14:22,639
down that hole and because when i do

3486
02:14:27,109 --> 02:14:24,639
it's like

3487
02:14:29,589 --> 02:14:27,119
you know you start going beyond

3488
02:14:32,069 --> 02:14:29,599
where you need to go and and right now i

3489
02:14:33,510 --> 02:14:32,079
think i just want answers to to what

3490
02:14:35,510 --> 02:14:33,520
happened with us

3491
02:14:37,510 --> 02:14:35,520
and that's kind of where i

3492
02:14:39,669 --> 02:14:37,520
put on my energy is figuring out what it

3493
02:14:41,430 --> 02:14:39,679
was that happened directly to us and

3494
02:14:42,870 --> 02:14:41,440
then they you know other other events

3495
02:14:45,589 --> 02:14:42,880
and other things like what happened with

3496
02:14:47,350 --> 02:14:45,599
matthew um they'll all fall into place

3497
02:14:49,830 --> 02:14:47,360
when they you know in time

3498
02:14:51,830 --> 02:14:49,840
so i've just kind of taken a back seat

3499
02:14:53,109 --> 02:14:51,840
and and kind of just listened you know

3500
02:14:54,790 --> 02:14:53,119
i've learned a lot from the people

3501
02:14:56,390 --> 02:14:54,800
within the community on twitter just

3502
02:14:57,830 --> 02:14:56,400
listening to what they say you know

3503
02:14:59,109 --> 02:14:57,840
talking to people in private messages i

3504
02:15:01,109 --> 02:14:59,119
think that's something that has

3505
02:15:04,229 --> 02:15:01,119
benefited everybody

3506
02:15:06,149 --> 02:15:04,239
um is is our availability to them and

3507
02:15:08,790 --> 02:15:06,159
their availability to us

3508
02:15:10,149 --> 02:15:08,800
you know not just um

3509
02:15:12,229 --> 02:15:10,159
you know where

3510
02:15:15,270 --> 02:15:12,239
we come out we say this and then we just

3511
02:15:17,030 --> 02:15:15,280
disappear and we're not

3512
02:15:19,270 --> 02:15:17,040
reachable i i think that's what's

3513
02:15:22,950 --> 02:15:19,280
revolutionized this whole game

3514
02:15:25,109 --> 02:15:22,960
over the past 10 years is technology and

3515
02:15:26,790 --> 02:15:25,119
the ability to communicate and make

3516
02:15:29,750 --> 02:15:26,800
yourself available

3517
02:15:31,750 --> 02:15:29,760
almost at any time to anybody you know

3518
02:15:34,629 --> 02:15:31,760
and there have been some pretty nasty

3519
02:15:36,870 --> 02:15:34,639
people um but there there's for the

3520
02:15:39,510 --> 02:15:36,880
majority of of the people that i've

3521
02:15:41,510 --> 02:15:39,520
encountered uh you know politically we

3522
02:15:42,790 --> 02:15:41,520
may disagree but at the end of the day

3523
02:15:44,069 --> 02:15:42,800
we can all sit down and have a

3524
02:15:46,950 --> 02:15:44,079
conversation

3525
02:15:50,149 --> 02:15:46,960
you know and absolutely i think that is

3526
02:15:52,149 --> 02:15:50,159
maintaining that uh that level of okay

3527
02:15:54,069 --> 02:15:52,159
i'm not on the same level with you

3528
02:15:55,669 --> 02:15:54,079
you know because you may be so deep into

3529
02:15:57,350 --> 02:15:55,679
this that

3530
02:15:59,510 --> 02:15:57,360
you're starting to talk to talk to me

3531
02:16:00,709 --> 02:15:59,520
about things that

3532
02:16:01,589 --> 02:16:00,719
you're really kind of pushing people

3533
02:16:03,109 --> 02:16:01,599
away

3534
02:16:04,950 --> 02:16:03,119
you know and it's like well you don't

3535
02:16:07,589 --> 02:16:04,960
need to but i'm like

3536
02:16:09,750 --> 02:16:07,599
i i get it i understand it but here's

3537
02:16:11,030 --> 02:16:09,760
where i'm at you know you're at an eight

3538
02:16:12,950 --> 02:16:11,040
i'm at a four

3539
02:16:15,030 --> 02:16:12,960
and i think that's what people just just

3540
02:16:18,069 --> 02:16:15,040
bear with us you know because it's still

3541
02:16:19,669 --> 02:16:18,079
all new to us you know to people like me

3542
02:16:21,270 --> 02:16:19,679
it's still new to me

3543
02:16:23,669 --> 02:16:21,280
you know so i don't understand some of

3544
02:16:25,510 --> 02:16:23,679
the things that people are talking about

3545
02:16:27,510 --> 02:16:25,520
um so

3546
02:16:31,189 --> 02:16:27,520
immediately after the event

3547
02:16:32,790 --> 02:16:31,199
i started downloading the mit syllabus

3548
02:16:35,349 --> 02:16:32,800
syllabuses for

3549
02:16:37,830 --> 02:16:35,359
their physics courses and

3550
02:16:39,270 --> 02:16:37,840
uh looking at uh

3551
02:16:41,110 --> 02:16:39,280
all the different all the ivy league

3552
02:16:42,549 --> 02:16:41,120
schools syllabuses for their physics

3553
02:16:45,190 --> 02:16:42,559
courses and learning everything that i

3554
02:16:46,469 --> 02:16:45,200
could about physics and engineering

3555
02:16:48,870 --> 02:16:46,479
i didn't think i'd ever really be able

3556
02:16:50,070 --> 02:16:48,880
to afford to go back to college so i

3557
02:16:51,990 --> 02:16:50,080
just started

3558
02:16:52,950 --> 02:16:52,000
learning it all myself

3559
02:16:54,549 --> 02:16:52,960
um

3560
02:16:57,030 --> 02:16:54,559
i spent

3561
02:16:59,429 --> 02:16:57,040
pretty much a lot of my free time just

3562
02:17:01,429 --> 02:16:59,439
trying to figure out how any of this

3563
02:17:03,349 --> 02:17:01,439
could even be possible just to keep

3564
02:17:07,190 --> 02:17:03,359
running into wall after wall after a

3565
02:17:10,950 --> 02:17:07,990
my

3566
02:17:12,790 --> 02:17:10,960
education level it was so minimal to

3567
02:17:16,230 --> 02:17:12,800
begin with you know i mean the only

3568
02:17:18,150 --> 02:17:16,240
thing i had was i know it's possible

3569
02:17:20,790 --> 02:17:18,160
now how

3570
02:17:22,469 --> 02:17:20,800
so i i was literally starting from you

3571
02:17:25,030 --> 02:17:22,479
know

3572
02:17:26,870 --> 02:17:25,040
high school physics

3573
02:17:28,790 --> 02:17:26,880
to learn

3574
02:17:30,709 --> 02:17:28,800
all of these different theorems these

3575
02:17:32,870 --> 02:17:30,719
different possibilities these different

3576
02:17:34,469 --> 02:17:32,880
things that you know people have already

3577
02:17:35,669 --> 02:17:34,479
gone through ten years of college and

3578
02:17:37,589 --> 02:17:35,679
knew

3579
02:17:40,790 --> 02:17:37,599
um so it was like a crash course that i

3580
02:17:42,389 --> 02:17:40,800
was pushing myself through and

3581
02:17:45,990 --> 02:17:42,399
then finally

3582
02:17:49,270 --> 02:17:46,000
the 2017 report came out and then i get

3583
02:17:51,110 --> 02:17:49,280
a phone call in 2018

3584
02:17:52,950 --> 02:17:51,120
and

3585
02:17:55,830 --> 02:17:52,960
then i start having to do a crash course

3586
02:17:57,270 --> 02:17:55,840
in ufo history now i mean i knew

3587
02:17:59,349 --> 02:17:57,280
generally

3588
02:18:00,629 --> 02:17:59,359
the the big ones you know project blue

3589
02:18:02,549 --> 02:18:00,639
book i knew

3590
02:18:04,629 --> 02:18:02,559
uh that they were you know roswell

3591
02:18:06,230 --> 02:18:04,639
there's two crashes there's you know

3592
02:18:08,629 --> 02:18:06,240
there's two crash sites there you know i

3593
02:18:11,030 --> 02:18:08,639
know some of the details and some a

3594
02:18:13,669 --> 02:18:11,040
little bit i'd say if uh you know

3595
02:18:15,589 --> 02:18:13,679
ryan you're a level 10 and jason's a

3596
02:18:35,270 --> 02:18:15,599
level four i'm probably like a five or a

3597
02:18:39,830 --> 02:18:37,750
oh i just realized i was muted that

3598
02:18:42,709 --> 02:18:39,840
whole time you guys didn't hear anything

3599
02:18:44,549 --> 02:18:42,719
i said um what i was going to say was

3600
02:18:47,830 --> 02:18:44,559
thank you gary for saying i'm a level 10

3601
02:18:49,589 --> 02:18:47,840
ufo researcher i wish but i clearly am

3602
02:18:51,990 --> 02:18:49,599
not none of us know the answers none of

3603
02:18:55,270 --> 02:18:52,000
us are experts but i do appreciate those

3604
02:18:57,509 --> 02:18:55,280
kind words and uh i do appreciate that

3605
02:18:59,509 --> 02:18:57,519
um all three of these guys after having

3606
02:19:01,830 --> 02:18:59,519
their military ufo encounters have

3607
02:19:04,950 --> 02:19:01,840
continued to look into it and are trying

3608
02:19:08,070 --> 02:19:04,960
to find answers so yeah hopefully they

3609
02:19:10,309 --> 02:19:08,080
will get those answers someday but um

3610
02:19:12,309 --> 02:19:10,319
that was a dream panel of mine to talk

3611
02:19:15,030 --> 02:19:12,319
to all three of these guys that were

3612
02:19:17,349 --> 02:19:15,040
part of famous ufo events and hear how

3613
02:19:19,509 --> 02:19:17,359
it affected them and um

3614
02:19:22,230 --> 02:19:19,519
it was incredible so i was so happy and

3615
02:19:24,230 --> 02:19:22,240
thankful to contact in the desert for

3616
02:19:26,309 --> 02:19:24,240
setting up that panel for me and

3617
02:19:28,389 --> 02:19:26,319
allowing me to rebroadcast it on my own

3618
02:19:31,030 --> 02:19:28,399
show and i hope you guys really enjoyed

3619
02:19:32,950 --> 02:19:31,040
it again that was episode

3620
02:19:34,870 --> 02:19:32,960
220 of the show you can go back and

3621
02:19:38,790 --> 02:19:34,880
watch that now conversation with

3622
02:19:40,309 --> 02:19:38,800
witnesses military ufo encounters um

3623
02:19:43,190 --> 02:19:40,319
yeah everyone's saying you're muted no

3624
02:19:44,950 --> 02:19:43,200
sir i'm sorry i i noticed that um hope

3625
02:19:46,150 --> 02:19:44,960
it's okay now zero mike thank you so

3626
02:19:48,230 --> 02:19:46,160
much for the super chat really

3627
02:19:51,750 --> 02:19:48,240
appreciate it buddy happy new year from

3628
02:19:53,349 --> 02:19:51,760
romania wow that is so cool amazing show

3629
02:19:55,510 --> 02:19:53,359
as always keep looking up guys keep

3630
02:19:58,550 --> 02:19:55,520
looking up yourself zero mike i really

3631
02:20:00,469 --> 02:19:58,560
appreciate it man and um hopefully we'll

3632
02:20:03,510 --> 02:20:00,479
get some of those answers by looking up

3633
02:20:06,630 --> 02:20:03,520
in 2022 so thank you thank you we need

3634
02:20:09,910 --> 02:20:06,640
more romanians reptile says ryan i will

3635
02:20:12,469 --> 02:20:09,920
carry on the flannel on my on my lives

3636
02:20:14,550 --> 02:20:12,479
mr crowley i appreciate that man i tried

3637
02:20:17,190 --> 02:20:14,560
to look a little classy tonight for my

3638
02:20:18,710 --> 02:20:17,200
my year-end wrap-up so i hope um i hope

3639
02:20:21,830 --> 02:20:18,720
everyone can appreciate it i don't wanna

3640
02:20:24,070 --> 02:20:21,840
tell you that often so yeah um let's

3641
02:20:25,670 --> 02:20:24,080
move on to

3642
02:20:26,710 --> 02:20:25,680
uh number

3643
02:20:34,469 --> 02:20:26,720
two

3644
02:20:39,670 --> 02:20:36,990
this was episode

3645
02:20:42,070 --> 02:20:39,680
196 of summer in the skies this past

3646
02:20:45,670 --> 02:20:42,080
year and it was with

3647
02:20:48,790 --> 02:20:45,680
none other than luis elizondo and sean

3648
02:20:51,349 --> 02:20:48,800
cahill um days after elizondo parted

3649
02:20:53,670 --> 02:20:51,359
ways with to the stars academy he and

3650
02:20:56,790 --> 02:20:53,680
former chief master at arms during the

3651
02:20:59,030 --> 02:20:56,800
nimitz tic tac ufo event sean cahill

3652
02:21:00,870 --> 02:20:59,040
joined me to talk about what has been

3653
02:21:04,550 --> 02:21:00,880
accomplished with the strive for ufo

3654
02:21:07,429 --> 02:21:04,560
disclosure since 2017 and where it all

3655
02:21:09,750 --> 02:21:07,439
may be heading in the next chapter and

3656
02:21:12,230 --> 02:21:09,760
we sure as hell headed somewhere pretty

3657
02:21:14,150 --> 02:21:12,240
interesting so i'm gonna play that clip

3658
02:21:17,190 --> 02:21:14,160
for you guys right now with luis

3659
02:21:18,790 --> 02:21:17,200
elizondo and sean cahill

3660
02:21:20,950 --> 02:21:18,800
let me offer this up because people keep

3661
02:21:24,309 --> 02:21:20,960
saying when are we gonna have disclosure

3662
02:21:26,710 --> 02:21:24,319
yes please this year you just had the

3663
02:21:30,469 --> 02:21:26,720
department of defense

3664
02:21:33,030 --> 02:21:30,479
say that uap's unidentified aerial

3665
02:21:35,910 --> 02:21:33,040
phenomenon not unidentified drones not

3666
02:21:38,389 --> 02:21:35,920
identified aircraft phenomenon

3667
02:21:39,429 --> 02:21:38,399
okay are real and that we're videoing

3668
02:21:40,630 --> 02:21:39,439
them to the point where we have

3669
02:21:43,429 --> 02:21:40,640
established

3670
02:21:48,950 --> 02:21:43,439
under the deputy secretary of defense an

3671
02:21:50,630 --> 02:21:48,960
official and formal uap not uas uap

3672
02:21:52,950 --> 02:21:50,640
task force

3673
02:21:54,550 --> 02:21:52,960
if if you don't want a bigger indicator

3674
02:21:57,110 --> 02:21:54,560
that the government is finally willing

3675
02:21:59,670 --> 02:21:57,120
to play in this sphere in this in this

3676
02:22:01,270 --> 02:21:59,680
in this this arena

3677
02:22:02,950 --> 02:22:01,280
i don't know how to get through to you i

3678
02:22:04,870 --> 02:22:02,960
i i can't there's nothing i can do that

3679
02:22:06,150 --> 02:22:04,880
convince people i would say look you're

3680
02:22:07,670 --> 02:22:06,160
living through disclosure now it's

3681
02:22:09,990 --> 02:22:07,680
happening don't you're not waiting you

3682
02:22:11,349 --> 02:22:10,000
keep waiting for this magic trip wire to

3683
02:22:12,710 --> 02:22:11,359
occur

3684
02:22:14,469 --> 02:22:12,720
look back and it's already happened it

3685
02:22:16,469 --> 02:22:14,479
just happened and it's continuing to

3686
02:22:18,630 --> 02:22:16,479
occur i talked to a lot of people who

3687
02:22:21,110 --> 02:22:18,640
who after hearing something similar to

3688
02:22:22,630 --> 02:22:21,120
that want to jump up and down and say

3689
02:22:24,070 --> 02:22:22,640
what about this incident what about that

3690
02:22:26,710 --> 02:22:24,080
incident etc

3691
02:22:29,429 --> 02:22:26,720
so i i'd be happy to sit here and say

3692
02:22:30,870 --> 02:22:29,439
well i'm not a government spokesperson

3693
02:22:33,750 --> 02:22:30,880
but i'd be happy to say we've been

3694
02:22:37,270 --> 02:22:33,760
investigating this for 70 years on

3695
02:22:41,349 --> 02:22:37,280
and that fact isn't a fact to the known

3696
02:22:42,870 --> 02:22:41,359
public it's not an understood fact that

3697
02:22:45,349 --> 02:22:42,880
for all intents and purposes the

3698
02:22:48,230 --> 02:22:45,359
investigation has never ended

3699
02:22:50,309 --> 02:22:48,240
did not end and is ongoing right now i'm

3700
02:22:52,710 --> 02:22:50,319
not a spokesperson for that but that's

3701
02:22:54,309 --> 02:22:52,720
as obvious to me as as my own hand in

3702
02:22:57,110 --> 02:22:54,319
front of my face

3703
02:22:59,349 --> 02:22:57,120
and so once we start getting those data

3704
02:23:01,990 --> 02:22:59,359
points out as knowns

3705
02:23:04,950 --> 02:23:02,000
to the majority of people the stigma is

3706
02:23:07,349 --> 02:23:04,960
just going to melt away that that holy s

3707
02:23:09,910 --> 02:23:07,359
moment that some of us have is is

3708
02:23:11,990 --> 02:23:09,920
powerful and it's long lasting too so we

3709
02:23:13,190 --> 02:23:12,000
need to be careful of that

3710
02:23:15,270 --> 02:23:13,200
people who have

3711
02:23:17,590 --> 02:23:15,280
thought this might be real for their

3712
02:23:22,790 --> 02:23:17,600
entire lives once confronted with the

3713
02:23:25,270 --> 02:23:22,800
fact that this is real period full stop

3714
02:23:27,750 --> 02:23:25,280
it's it's a very sobering experience

3715
02:23:32,150 --> 02:23:27,760
that has a lot of tangential

3716
02:23:38,710 --> 02:23:36,630
yeah so again that was another one of um

3717
02:23:41,110 --> 02:23:38,720
the interviews that really came out of

3718
02:23:42,309 --> 02:23:41,120
nowhere to be completely honest you know

3719
02:23:45,270 --> 02:23:42,319
i'd been

3720
02:23:47,030 --> 02:23:45,280
uh speaking to mr elizondo through email

3721
02:23:48,710 --> 02:23:47,040
and you know working at the debrief i

3722
02:23:49,750 --> 02:23:48,720
had the opportunity to interview him for

3723
02:23:52,710 --> 02:23:49,760
a couple

3724
02:23:54,790 --> 02:23:52,720
articles um in the email form but i just

3725
02:23:57,110 --> 02:23:54,800
uh you know i threw the hal mary one day

3726
02:23:58,870 --> 02:23:57,120
and and i reached out and i said i'd

3727
02:24:00,790 --> 02:23:58,880
love to interview you especially right

3728
02:24:02,070 --> 02:24:00,800
after he left to the stars academy

3729
02:24:05,429 --> 02:24:02,080
thought it'd be a good time to get him

3730
02:24:07,670 --> 02:24:05,439
on and he was just so uh accommodating

3731
02:24:09,670 --> 02:24:07,680
and welcoming with his time and of

3732
02:24:12,309 --> 02:24:09,680
course at the same time sean cahill was

3733
02:24:14,230 --> 02:24:12,319
in town visiting lou and he said hey i

3734
02:24:15,910 --> 02:24:14,240
got another guest for you so i was so

3735
02:24:17,190 --> 02:24:15,920
happy to have sean there as well and we

3736
02:24:20,630 --> 02:24:17,200
had a really

3737
02:24:21,990 --> 02:24:20,640
really amazing discussion um and yeah i

3738
02:24:24,469 --> 02:24:22,000
hope you guys will go check out the

3739
02:24:27,030 --> 02:24:24,479
whole interview that we did he answered

3740
02:24:28,469 --> 02:24:27,040
a lot of listener questions lou and sean

3741
02:24:30,469 --> 02:24:28,479
answered a bunch of listener questions

3742
02:24:33,510 --> 02:24:30,479
as well i can't wait to have them back

3743
02:24:35,750 --> 02:24:33,520
on in 2022. it's already set up the date

3744
02:24:38,070 --> 02:24:35,760
has been scheduled you will see mr

3745
02:24:40,309 --> 02:24:38,080
elizondo again very soon in the coming

3746
02:24:41,190 --> 02:24:40,319
new year um

3747
02:24:43,590 --> 02:24:41,200
but

3748
02:24:46,230 --> 02:24:43,600
without further ado let's get to our

3749
02:24:55,990 --> 02:24:46,240
number one most downloaded interview of

3750
02:25:00,950 --> 02:24:58,469
so yeah this guy um really made some

3751
02:25:02,790 --> 02:25:00,960
waves this past year in the ufo field in

3752
02:25:03,750 --> 02:25:02,800
fact i think yes

3753
02:25:06,150 --> 02:25:03,760
i do

3754
02:25:07,750 --> 02:25:06,160
i have his book right here

3755
02:25:09,990 --> 02:25:07,760
you know who it is

3756
02:25:12,550 --> 02:25:10,000
ross colthardt he is an australian

3757
02:25:14,710 --> 02:25:12,560
journalist journalist and author and he

3758
02:25:17,110 --> 02:25:14,720
um he ran us through his research into

3759
02:25:19,349 --> 02:25:17,120
uap for both his book and his news

3760
02:25:21,990 --> 02:25:19,359
program on seven news australia

3761
02:25:23,990 --> 02:25:22,000
including a very interesting claim by

3762
02:25:26,230 --> 02:25:24,000
nat kobits the former director of

3763
02:25:29,590 --> 02:25:26,240
science and engineering research for the

3764
02:25:31,190 --> 02:25:29,600
us navy and an interesting program that

3765
02:25:32,870 --> 02:25:31,200
nat was read into so i'm going to go

3766
02:25:35,750 --> 02:25:32,880
ahead and play that last clip for you

3767
02:25:38,389 --> 02:25:35,760
guys right here right now at number one

3768
02:25:41,030 --> 02:25:38,399
ross colthardt

3769
02:25:42,710 --> 02:25:41,040
about a month or so after i'd sent off

3770
02:25:45,590 --> 02:25:42,720
these letters i started getting really

3771
02:25:47,830 --> 02:25:45,600
interesting calls and and messages from

3772
02:25:49,270 --> 02:25:47,840
people who were

3773
02:25:52,550 --> 02:25:49,280
telling me

3774
02:25:55,910 --> 02:25:52,560
eventually that they were involved in

3775
02:25:58,790 --> 02:25:55,920
what some called the program and uh

3776
02:26:00,389 --> 02:25:58,800
essentially it was an attempt to back

3777
02:26:01,550 --> 02:26:00,399
engineer

3778
02:26:03,110 --> 02:26:01,560
recovered

3779
02:26:04,830 --> 02:26:03,120
non-human

3780
02:26:08,469 --> 02:26:04,840
technology

3781
02:26:10,070 --> 02:26:08,479
craft and i look i cheerfully admit the

3782
02:26:12,309 --> 02:26:10,080
first couple of times that i was told

3783
02:26:15,349 --> 02:26:12,319
about this i i treated it as a bit of a

3784
02:26:17,190 --> 02:26:15,359
joke i i laughed i thought this is wacky

3785
02:26:19,510 --> 02:26:17,200
stuff somebody's deliberately sewing me

3786
02:26:22,150 --> 02:26:19,520
with disinformation and then

3787
02:26:23,830 --> 02:26:22,160
one day net cobits literally rang me i

3788
02:26:25,590 --> 02:26:23,840
couldn't believe it this guy from the

3789
02:26:27,510 --> 02:26:25,600
former head of navy science and

3790
02:26:31,110 --> 02:26:27,520
technology development like the chief

3791
02:26:32,710 --> 02:26:31,120
boston for the us navy for decades rang

3792
02:26:35,510 --> 02:26:32,720
me out of the blue

3793
02:26:37,030 --> 02:26:35,520
he um he rang me and he goes ross you

3794
02:26:39,349 --> 02:26:37,040
need to get you need to get under your

3795
02:26:41,110 --> 02:26:39,359
government and get the the the top

3796
02:26:42,790 --> 02:26:41,120
soviet water bomber and he was what do

3797
02:26:45,670 --> 02:26:42,800
you wanted me to get the russians to

3798
02:26:47,590 --> 02:26:45,680
send over the big water bomber and um

3799
02:26:50,150 --> 02:26:47,600
you know he was just this tech geek who

3800
02:26:52,070 --> 02:26:50,160
wanted to share information and so

3801
02:26:53,990 --> 02:26:52,080
for days i just talked to him about what

3802
02:26:55,590 --> 02:26:54,000
he'd worked on in the navy and it was

3803
02:26:57,590 --> 02:26:55,600
just such a privilege to speak to

3804
02:26:59,030 --> 02:26:57,600
somebody who right through the cold war

3805
02:27:00,150 --> 02:26:59,040
had worked on

3806
02:27:03,270 --> 02:27:00,160
top

3807
02:27:04,870 --> 02:27:03,280
vehicles and technologies in the um

3808
02:27:07,270 --> 02:27:04,880
in the u.s military and it was a real

3809
02:27:09,270 --> 02:27:07,280
insight because he was such a generous

3810
02:27:11,190 --> 02:27:09,280
sharing warm guy and

3811
02:27:13,190 --> 02:27:11,200
i made it clear in my letter that i was

3812
02:27:16,870 --> 02:27:13,200
really interested in talking about

3813
02:27:19,110 --> 02:27:16,880
the phenomenon you know ufos uaps but

3814
02:27:21,429 --> 02:27:19,120
after about the third or fourth call he

3815
02:27:23,190 --> 02:27:21,439
finally then said to me

3816
02:27:25,349 --> 02:27:23,200
so ross why why don't you ask me the

3817
02:27:27,030 --> 02:27:25,359
question and i went

3818
02:27:29,270 --> 02:27:27,040
what question would that be that and he

3819
02:27:31,670 --> 02:27:29,280
went you know something like you know

3820
02:27:34,389 --> 02:27:31,680
and so i did i i asked him about you

3821
02:27:35,110 --> 02:27:34,399
know was he ever read into

3822
02:27:40,870 --> 02:27:35,120
a

3823
02:27:44,070 --> 02:27:40,880
ever security briefed to be briefed on

3824
02:27:47,270 --> 02:27:44,080
claims the united states has recovered

3825
02:27:49,429 --> 02:27:47,280
alien craft and i fully expected him to

3826
02:27:51,190 --> 02:27:49,439
go like come on rust it's just crazy

3827
02:27:52,469 --> 02:27:51,200
[\h__\h] you know why why you asking me

3828
02:27:54,469 --> 02:27:52,479
that question and

3829
02:27:57,590 --> 02:27:54,479
there was this kind of pregnant pause

3830
02:27:59,670 --> 02:27:57,600
after i asked the first question

3831
02:28:01,110 --> 02:27:59,680
and i was about to change the subject

3832
02:28:02,469 --> 02:28:01,120
and move on out of embarrassment and

3833
02:28:04,070 --> 02:28:02,479
then he went

3834
02:28:06,070 --> 02:28:04,080
yes

3835
02:28:07,750 --> 02:28:06,080
but i wasn't read out of it

3836
02:28:09,270 --> 02:28:07,760
and for that reason i can't say much

3837
02:28:11,750 --> 02:28:09,280
more about it

3838
02:28:14,309 --> 02:28:11,760
and i pushed him a little bit and i said

3839
02:28:17,510 --> 02:28:14,319
so you were read into a program

3840
02:28:19,910 --> 02:28:17,520
involving the retrieval of an alien

3841
02:28:21,670 --> 02:28:19,920
spacecraft

3842
02:28:23,349 --> 02:28:21,680
yes

3843
02:28:25,190 --> 02:28:23,359
and i went

3844
02:28:31,670 --> 02:28:25,200
multiple craft or a single craft

3845
02:28:36,230 --> 02:28:33,910
that was my face

3846
02:28:37,990 --> 02:28:36,240
internally during that interview when

3847
02:28:40,230 --> 02:28:38,000
ross brought that up i i

3848
02:28:41,830 --> 02:28:40,240
i was kind of speechless i didn't know

3849
02:28:42,710 --> 02:28:41,840
what to say when he brought that up if

3850
02:28:45,670 --> 02:28:42,720
true

3851
02:28:48,469 --> 02:28:45,680
that is an extraordinary claim by you

3852
02:28:50,389 --> 02:28:48,479
know not kobets and um unfortunately he

3853
02:28:52,150 --> 02:28:50,399
has passed away so we will never have

3854
02:28:54,870 --> 02:28:52,160
definitive documentation or proof of

3855
02:28:57,429 --> 02:28:54,880
this but hey i trust ross in his um

3856
02:28:59,830 --> 02:28:57,439
diligent journalism and he probably

3857
02:29:01,429 --> 02:28:59,840
looked into that and uh yeah pretty

3858
02:29:03,110 --> 02:29:01,439
pretty nuts um

3859
02:29:04,950 --> 02:29:03,120
and yeah that was our most downloaded

3860
02:29:07,510 --> 02:29:04,960
episode of the year with ross colthardt

3861
02:29:09,429 --> 02:29:07,520
so that's it guys that's it for our top

3862
02:29:12,389 --> 02:29:09,439
10 most downloaded interviews of the

3863
02:29:15,429 --> 02:29:12,399
year but i do want to stress uh we had

3864
02:29:18,070 --> 02:29:15,439
so many other incredible guests and

3865
02:29:20,309 --> 02:29:18,080
interviews this past year and 2021 as

3866
02:29:22,309 --> 02:29:20,319
well on the show so please go back in

3867
02:29:24,070 --> 02:29:22,319
the archives check out any of the

3868
02:29:26,710 --> 02:29:24,080
episodes you haven't watched check all

3869
02:29:28,950 --> 02:29:26,720
the ones out you saw tonight um we have

3870
02:29:31,030 --> 02:29:28,960
our witness account series which is

3871
02:29:33,830 --> 02:29:31,040
where you the listeners and viewers come

3872
02:29:36,469 --> 02:29:33,840
on and tell your stories of your ufo

3873
02:29:39,110 --> 02:29:36,479
experiences in your own words and those

3874
02:29:40,870 --> 02:29:39,120
are some of our most popular um episodes

3875
02:29:43,190 --> 02:29:40,880
as well i think we're up to like

3876
02:29:45,349 --> 02:29:43,200
gosh 18 volumes now or something like

3877
02:29:47,349 --> 02:29:45,359
that crazy that shows you how many

3878
02:29:49,990 --> 02:29:47,359
people are having these experiences and

3879
02:29:51,670 --> 02:29:50,000
how okay it is to talk about it so i

3880
02:29:54,469 --> 02:29:51,680
hope you'll go back and listen to all of

3881
02:29:56,230 --> 02:29:54,479
our witness accounts episodes and um we

3882
02:29:59,030 --> 02:29:56,240
also have what else do we have we have

3883
02:30:01,270 --> 02:29:59,040
ufo happy hour with rob christopherson

3884
02:30:04,150 --> 02:30:01,280
host of the hour strange skies podcast

3885
02:30:07,030 --> 02:30:04,160
where he and i just um tip back a few

3886
02:30:08,790 --> 02:30:07,040
beers and brews and talk everything ufos

3887
02:30:11,910 --> 02:30:08,800
i don't know which volume we're on of

3888
02:30:15,110 --> 02:30:11,920
that yet but um rob is one of the most

3889
02:30:16,309 --> 02:30:15,120
incredible encyclopedic ufo researchers

3890
02:30:18,469 --> 02:30:16,319
i've ever

3891
02:30:20,950 --> 02:30:18,479
ever come into contact with and it is

3892
02:30:22,630 --> 02:30:20,960
just a treasure to have him come on the

3893
02:30:25,190 --> 02:30:22,640
show because i know

3894
02:30:27,750 --> 02:30:25,200
my work's done i let rob rip and he just

3895
02:30:30,950 --> 02:30:27,760
kills it every time so check out the ufo

3896
02:30:33,590 --> 02:30:30,960
happy hour series um we have somewhere

3897
02:30:35,990 --> 02:30:33,600
in the whiskey with mj bonaires every

3898
02:30:39,030 --> 02:30:36,000
now and again so you can check that out

3899
02:30:41,030 --> 02:30:39,040
what am i forgetting um

3900
02:30:43,429 --> 02:30:41,040
uh i think that's about it oh we have

3901
02:30:45,990 --> 02:30:43,439
our audio doc episodes gosh can't

3902
02:30:48,790 --> 02:30:46,000
believe i forgot that um where i tell

3903
02:30:51,030 --> 02:30:48,800
ufo case histories and stories you know

3904
02:30:54,389 --> 02:30:51,040
i bring in actors to voice certain

3905
02:30:57,910 --> 02:30:54,399
witnesses and people involved in cases

3906
02:31:00,230 --> 02:30:57,920
and um really use my um my skills as a

3907
02:31:02,469 --> 02:31:00,240
writer and as an actor to bring these

3908
02:31:05,030 --> 02:31:02,479
stories to life for you guys we had some

3909
02:31:07,990 --> 02:31:05,040
awesome episodes on trans medium craft

3910
02:31:12,230 --> 02:31:08,000
this past year that i did um soviet ufo

3911
02:31:14,469 --> 02:31:12,240
cases uh what else did we have um

3912
02:31:16,389 --> 02:31:14,479
mysteries of puerto rico which was one

3913
02:31:20,150 --> 02:31:16,399
of my favorite episodes of the entire

3914
02:31:23,110 --> 02:31:20,160
year my incredible fiance jane is the

3915
02:31:25,110 --> 02:31:23,120
was the head researcher for that episode

3916
02:31:27,510 --> 02:31:25,120
and just absolutely knocked it out of

3917
02:31:29,590 --> 02:31:27,520
the park um i had some people from

3918
02:31:31,590 --> 02:31:29,600
puerto rico come on to talk about the

3919
02:31:33,429 --> 02:31:31,600
strange phenomena and stuff that's gone

3920
02:31:36,070 --> 02:31:33,439
on there throughout the years and

3921
02:31:38,790 --> 02:31:36,080
decades and um yeah yeah that was

3922
02:31:40,469 --> 02:31:38,800
definitely one of my personal highlights

3923
02:31:42,389 --> 02:31:40,479
and favorites of the year i worked so

3924
02:31:44,550 --> 02:31:42,399
hard on that episode took me like a

3925
02:31:46,950 --> 02:31:44,560
month to get it all together but um yeah

3926
02:31:49,270 --> 02:31:46,960
it was a lot of fun um

3927
02:31:51,910 --> 02:31:49,280
other than that guys um i'm just gonna

3928
02:31:54,710 --> 02:31:51,920
give you a little um what's to come in

3929
02:31:57,429 --> 02:31:54,720
2022 at summer in the skies and with my

3930
02:31:58,469 --> 02:31:57,439
my personal work so um first and

3931
02:32:00,469 --> 02:31:58,479
foremost

3932
02:32:02,309 --> 02:32:00,479
my lecture that i usually give around

3933
02:32:04,710 --> 02:32:02,319
the country um because a lot of

3934
02:32:07,910 --> 02:32:04,720
conferences aren't happening in in

3935
02:32:10,309 --> 02:32:07,920
person anymore um i have

3936
02:32:13,510 --> 02:32:10,319
recorded my talk a human approach to the

3937
02:32:15,750 --> 02:32:13,520
ufo phenomenon and i'm offering it on my

3938
02:32:17,910 --> 02:32:15,760
patreon so if you want to help support

3939
02:32:21,670 --> 02:32:17,920
the show i believe it's at the five

3940
02:32:23,750 --> 02:32:21,680
dollar tier a month or or larger

3941
02:32:26,150 --> 02:32:23,760
you will get that lecture for free it'll

3942
02:32:29,510 --> 02:32:26,160
be a part of your patronage and you'll

3943
02:32:31,750 --> 02:32:29,520
also get bonus episodes um

3944
02:32:34,469 --> 02:32:31,760
you'll get early additions to all of our

3945
02:32:38,150 --> 02:32:34,479
main feed episodes every week as well by

3946
02:32:39,830 --> 02:32:38,160
heading over to patreon.com

3947
02:32:41,830 --> 02:32:39,840
skies it's a great way to help out the

3948
02:32:44,550 --> 02:32:41,840
show it's free to consume not free to

3949
02:32:46,790 --> 02:32:44,560
create so every every single cent goes

3950
02:32:49,270 --> 02:32:46,800
back into making the show bigger better

3951
02:32:51,190 --> 02:32:49,280
and more of it for you guys so again i

3952
02:32:52,950 --> 02:32:51,200
want to thank those of you in the chat

3953
02:32:55,590 --> 02:32:52,960
who did super chat and super sticker

3954
02:32:57,190 --> 02:32:55,600
those as well go to help the show

3955
02:32:59,190 --> 02:32:57,200
continue and grow

3956
02:33:01,349 --> 02:32:59,200
a portion of all of our super chats

3957
02:33:04,309 --> 02:33:01,359
tonight will go to the women's refugee

3958
02:33:06,070 --> 02:33:04,319
commission as well um a charity that i

3959
02:33:08,389 --> 02:33:06,080
love giving to every year it's somewhere

3960
02:33:09,910 --> 02:33:08,399
in the skies so yeah please check out my

3961
02:33:13,510 --> 02:33:09,920
talk a human approach to the ufo

3962
02:33:16,710 --> 02:33:13,520
phenomenon over on patreon patreon.com

3963
02:33:20,389 --> 02:33:16,720
summerskies uh next week we are going to

3964
02:33:23,670 --> 02:33:20,399
be diving deep into the 1976 kentucky

3965
02:33:24,950 --> 02:33:23,680
three alien abduction stanford kentucky

3966
02:33:27,990 --> 02:33:24,960
three women

3967
02:33:30,150 --> 02:33:28,000
crazy crazy ufo encounter that could

3968
02:33:32,389 --> 02:33:30,160
possibly also have been an alien

3969
02:33:34,070 --> 02:33:32,399
abduction i know you guys know of this

3970
02:33:36,230 --> 02:33:34,080
case but i'm bringing it to life like

3971
02:33:40,630 --> 02:33:36,240
never before so look for that episode

3972
02:33:43,510 --> 02:33:40,640
next week on somewhere in the skies um

3973
02:33:46,389 --> 02:33:43,520
ancient aliens i made this announcement

3974
02:33:48,630 --> 02:33:46,399
on uh twitter i am going to be featured

3975
02:33:52,309 --> 02:33:48,640
in the new season of ancient aliens

3976
02:33:54,230 --> 02:33:52,319
premiering january 7th um hey look i'm

3977
02:33:57,270 --> 02:33:54,240
just as critical of ancient aliens as

3978
02:33:59,270 --> 02:33:57,280
the next person but um i was brought in

3979
02:34:00,790 --> 02:33:59,280
to talk about a lot of the current ufo

3980
02:34:04,389 --> 02:34:00,800
conversations going on with the

3981
02:34:06,870 --> 02:34:04,399
government and the atip and and um

3982
02:34:09,750 --> 02:34:06,880
elizondo and and everything going on in

3983
02:34:11,190 --> 02:34:09,760
modern day ufology so um that was the

3984
02:34:12,790 --> 02:34:11,200
agreement i would come on talk about

3985
02:34:15,110 --> 02:34:12,800
that i talked about a couple other

3986
02:34:17,429 --> 02:34:15,120
things no aliens building the pyramids i

3987
02:34:20,070 --> 02:34:17,439
promise you that um but

3988
02:34:21,270 --> 02:34:20,080
but it was such a pleasure to work with

3989
02:34:23,110 --> 02:34:21,280
ancient aliens i'm going to be

3990
02:34:25,910 --> 02:34:23,120
completely honest i know there's a lot

3991
02:34:28,230 --> 02:34:25,920
of criticism of the show and i have been

3992
02:34:30,790 --> 02:34:28,240
there and i know that um but everyone i

3993
02:34:33,270 --> 02:34:30,800
worked with was amazing they really were

3994
02:34:36,230 --> 02:34:33,280
passionate about the information um that

3995
02:34:38,630 --> 02:34:36,240
i was bringing to them so yeah look for

3996
02:34:40,630 --> 02:34:38,640
me on the upcoming season of ancient

3997
02:34:43,590 --> 02:34:40,640
aliens on the history channel the

3998
02:34:45,510 --> 02:34:43,600
premiere is january 7th look for some

3999
02:34:46,230 --> 02:34:45,520
other familiar faces as well coming to

4000
02:34:49,429 --> 02:34:46,240
you

4001
02:34:52,309 --> 02:34:49,439
as well um a new season of mysteries

4002
02:34:53,830 --> 02:34:52,319
decoded is also going to be starting in

4003
02:34:56,870 --> 02:34:53,840
2022.

4004
02:34:59,910 --> 02:34:56,880
um i went out and investigated more ufos

4005
02:35:02,150 --> 02:34:59,920
with my co-host jennifer marshall a

4006
02:35:04,950 --> 02:35:02,160
private investigator a former navy

4007
02:35:07,510 --> 02:35:04,960
veteran and we went out and

4008
02:35:10,230 --> 02:35:07,520
investigated one of the most famous ufo

4009
02:35:12,150 --> 02:35:10,240
events of all time and we even found

4010
02:35:14,710 --> 02:35:12,160
some new information and witnesses to

4011
02:35:18,469 --> 02:35:14,720
come forward so be on the lookout for

4012
02:35:21,030 --> 02:35:18,479
that sometime in 2022 on the cw network

4013
02:35:23,030 --> 02:35:21,040
that's mysteries decoded um we're coming

4014
02:35:25,349 --> 02:35:23,040
at you guys again with some awesome

4015
02:35:28,230 --> 02:35:25,359
mysteries that need to be decoded did we

4016
02:35:30,150 --> 02:35:28,240
decode them you'll find out um

4017
02:35:33,190 --> 02:35:30,160
and other than that

4018
02:35:35,750 --> 02:35:33,200
i have a co-host coming to somewhere in

4019
02:35:37,030 --> 02:35:35,760
the sky several co-hosts to be honest

4020
02:35:39,190 --> 02:35:37,040
that are going to come in and help me

4021
02:35:41,270 --> 02:35:39,200
with interviews and um and do some

4022
02:35:42,950 --> 02:35:41,280
interviews of their own for the show so

4023
02:35:45,190 --> 02:35:42,960
that i can focus on bringing you guys

4024
02:35:47,830 --> 02:35:45,200
more case histories and doing more

4025
02:35:49,830 --> 02:35:47,840
research and making the show even bigger

4026
02:35:51,670 --> 02:35:49,840
and better and broadening that scope

4027
02:35:53,190 --> 02:35:51,680
here it's somewhere in the skies so be

4028
02:35:56,790 --> 02:35:53,200
on the lookout for an announcement of

4029
02:35:59,270 --> 02:35:56,800
who our mystery co-hosts are going to be

4030
02:36:00,950 --> 02:35:59,280
very soon here at summer in the skies

4031
02:36:03,429 --> 02:36:00,960
and um

4032
02:36:05,590 --> 02:36:03,439
other than that i just want to thank you

4033
02:36:07,830 --> 02:36:05,600
guys for an incredible year at summer in

4034
02:36:11,990 --> 02:36:07,840
the skies our numbers have more than

4035
02:36:14,389 --> 02:36:12,000
doubled since uh the previous year um

4036
02:36:16,469 --> 02:36:14,399
i still can't believe that people watch

4037
02:36:20,389 --> 02:36:16,479
and listen to what i have to say about

4038
02:36:22,550 --> 02:36:20,399
ufos and yes i do work very hard at what

4039
02:36:25,270 --> 02:36:22,560
i do and it's so good to be appreciated

4040
02:36:27,190 --> 02:36:25,280
for that but i have to thank you for

4041
02:36:29,750 --> 02:36:27,200
even coming along for that and

4042
02:36:30,790 --> 02:36:29,760
supporting me along the way and sharing

4043
02:36:33,349 --> 02:36:30,800
the show

4044
02:36:35,510 --> 02:36:33,359
on social media and um

4045
02:36:37,429 --> 02:36:35,520
giving me your comments and and just

4046
02:36:39,590 --> 02:36:37,439
being there being there to be a part of

4047
02:36:41,190 --> 02:36:39,600
this community that um can be

4048
02:36:42,950 --> 02:36:41,200
frustrating at times but at the end of

4049
02:36:45,670 --> 02:36:42,960
the day i do consider

4050
02:36:47,590 --> 02:36:45,680
a lot of you my close friends and

4051
02:36:50,230 --> 02:36:47,600
colleagues and we are all in this

4052
02:36:52,309 --> 02:36:50,240
together and um you have not shown that

4053
02:36:54,710 --> 02:36:52,319
more than with your support for summer

4054
02:36:56,790 --> 02:36:54,720
in the skies this past year so to every

4055
02:36:58,870 --> 02:36:56,800
single one of you who's ever downloaded

4056
02:37:01,030 --> 02:36:58,880
the show the podcast watched these

4057
02:37:04,630 --> 02:37:01,040
youtube live streams watched the show

4058
02:37:06,870 --> 02:37:04,640
shared it um given patronage i truly

4059
02:37:08,550 --> 02:37:06,880
truly appreciate it and you make more of

4060
02:37:11,349 --> 02:37:08,560
a difference in my life than i think

4061
02:37:13,270 --> 02:37:11,359
you'll ever truly know so to all of you

4062
02:37:15,270 --> 02:37:13,280
thank you thank you thank you thank you

4063
02:37:16,950 --> 02:37:15,280
for an amazing year at summer in the

4064
02:37:19,270 --> 02:37:16,960
skies i i

4065
02:37:21,349 --> 02:37:19,280
could not mean that more sincerely and

4066
02:37:24,550 --> 02:37:21,359
genuinely i appreciate every single one

4067
02:37:26,150 --> 02:37:24,560
of you so thank you thank you um and

4068
02:37:28,070 --> 02:37:26,160
other than that guys

4069
02:37:31,190 --> 02:37:28,080
that's gonna cut it what i'm gonna leave

4070
02:37:34,389 --> 02:37:31,200
you with right now is um a fun little uh

4071
02:37:36,230 --> 02:37:34,399
joke that i had with some of our guests

4072
02:37:38,870 --> 02:37:36,240
um that i thought we'd end a little

4073
02:37:40,950 --> 02:37:38,880
light-hearted um so check out this

4074
02:37:42,870 --> 02:37:40,960
little not even blooper i kept it in the

4075
02:37:45,030 --> 02:37:42,880
episode but it was a lot of fun so i'm

4076
02:37:47,349 --> 02:37:45,040
gonna play that for you and then take

4077
02:37:49,910 --> 02:37:47,359
you out with one of my favorite songs

4078
02:37:53,110 --> 02:37:49,920
check it out and john created this like

4079
02:37:54,469 --> 02:37:53,120
3 000 page long index and you can search

4080
02:37:56,469 --> 02:37:54,479
everything if you want to find out

4081
02:37:57,670 --> 02:37:56,479
something about that so that's awesome

4082
02:38:01,270 --> 02:37:57,680
because the government doesn't do the

4083
02:38:02,630 --> 02:38:01,280
work but john's doing that work yeah jfk

4084
02:38:04,070 --> 02:38:02,640
ass i thought that's what you were

4085
02:38:05,349 --> 02:38:04,080
searching for

4086
02:38:06,469 --> 02:38:05,359
you know it's just a trick you don't

4087
02:38:07,429 --> 02:38:06,479
have to spell the whole word and it'll

4088
02:38:09,510 --> 02:38:07,439
pop up

4089
02:38:12,309 --> 02:38:09,520
um no this is i didn't i didn't quite

4090
02:38:15,990 --> 02:38:12,319
realize i did i blasted ass on your show

4091
02:38:17,270 --> 02:38:16,000
right now let's tweet jfk ass that's

4092
02:38:19,270 --> 02:38:17,280
what you get here on somewhere in the

4093
02:38:21,270 --> 02:38:19,280
skies yeah i mean john if you want a

4094
02:38:22,230 --> 02:38:21,280
point of that i'd be the first to read

4095
02:38:24,309 --> 02:38:22,240
it sir

4096
02:38:26,710 --> 02:38:24,319
that's uh that's a that's a different

4097
02:38:30,710 --> 02:38:26,720
that's a different black different yeah

4098
02:38:32,469 --> 02:38:30,720
different show yeah so this is

4099
02:38:34,630 --> 02:38:32,479
yeah so i thought that would be a good

4100
02:38:36,710 --> 02:38:34,640
way to end this conversation with john

4101
02:38:39,429 --> 02:38:36,720
greenwald of the black fault blasting

4102
02:38:41,910 --> 02:38:39,439
ass on summer in the skies

4103
02:38:44,790 --> 02:38:41,920
so with that guys i'm putting our um

4104
02:38:47,270 --> 02:38:44,800
once again a link to this someone's guys

4105
02:38:49,510 --> 02:38:47,280
twitter account in the chat there head

4106
02:38:52,469 --> 02:38:49,520
on over and go to the pin tweet at the

4107
02:38:54,309 --> 02:38:52,479
top and if you retweet that tweet which

4108
02:38:56,550 --> 02:38:54,319
is this live stream which will be

4109
02:38:59,670 --> 02:38:56,560
available for replay right after this

4110
02:39:01,270 --> 02:38:59,680
ends um if you retweet it like it you're

4111
02:39:04,150 --> 02:39:01,280
going to be put indoor raffle to win

4112
02:39:07,270 --> 02:39:04,160
summer in the sky's merch um so yeah go

4113
02:39:10,070 --> 02:39:07,280
ahead and do that right now and um other

4114
02:39:11,990 --> 02:39:10,080
than that check us out every monday at

4115
02:39:13,990 --> 02:39:12,000
summerinthisguys.com

4116
02:39:15,670 --> 02:39:14,000
um wherever you get your podcasts or

4117
02:39:17,590 --> 02:39:15,680
right here on youtube

4118
02:39:19,670 --> 02:39:17,600
awesome stuff coming this year i can't

4119
02:39:21,750 --> 02:39:19,680
wait to share it all with you guys

4120
02:39:24,469 --> 02:39:21,760
and um i'm gonna leave you with that a

4121
02:39:26,590 --> 02:39:24,479
very very happy holiday season happy new

4122
02:39:29,590 --> 02:39:26,600
year to all of you may it be full of

4123
02:39:32,550 --> 02:39:29,600
revelations and uh realizations

4124
02:39:34,550 --> 02:39:32,560
discoveries and um and time with those

4125
02:39:36,710 --> 02:39:34,560
you love and cherish so

4126
02:39:39,030 --> 02:39:36,720
once again from the bottom of my

4127
02:39:41,510 --> 02:39:39,040
ufological heart thank you for an

4128
02:39:43,190 --> 02:39:41,520
amazing year of summer in the skies and

4129
02:39:45,510 --> 02:39:43,200
i am going to leave you with the

4130
02:39:47,670 --> 02:39:45,520
buchanan brothers singing when the

4131
02:39:50,070 --> 02:39:47,680
flying saucers come

4132
02:39:52,630 --> 02:39:50,080
thank you keep looking up keep your feet

4133
02:39:56,510 --> 02:39:52,640
on the ground but never stop searching

4134
02:40:04,469 --> 02:40:00,710
[Music]

4135
02:40:07,110 --> 02:40:04,479
you better pray to the lord when you see

4136
02:40:10,790 --> 02:40:07,120
those flying saucers it may be the

4137
02:40:13,750 --> 02:40:10,800
coming of the judgment day

4138
02:40:15,590 --> 02:40:13,760
it's a sign there's no doubt of the

4139
02:40:18,309 --> 02:40:15,600
trouble

4140
02:40:20,389 --> 02:40:18,319
so i say my friend should better start

4141
02:40:23,830 --> 02:40:20,399
to crave

4142
02:40:26,630 --> 02:40:23,840
they're a terrifying sight as they fly

4143
02:40:29,510 --> 02:40:26,640
on day and night it's a warning that

4144
02:40:33,110 --> 02:40:29,520
with better men our way

4145
02:40:35,750 --> 02:40:33,120
you better pray to the lord when you see

4146
02:40:38,700 --> 02:40:35,760
those flying saucers it may be the

4147
02:40:44,890 --> 02:40:38,710
coming of the judgment day

4148
02:40:44,900 --> 02:41:16,309
[Music]

4149
02:41:22,469 --> 02:41:19,269
many people think the saucers might be

4150
02:41:26,070 --> 02:41:22,479
someone's fully streamed or maybe they

4151
02:41:28,950 --> 02:41:26,080
were sent down here from mars

4152
02:41:30,630 --> 02:41:28,960
if you just stop and think you'd realize

4153
02:41:33,269 --> 02:41:30,640
just what it means

4154
02:41:34,790 --> 02:41:33,279
they're more than atom bombs are falling

4155
02:41:37,830 --> 02:41:34,800
stars

4156
02:41:40,389 --> 02:41:37,840
and though the war may be true there's

4157
02:41:44,469 --> 02:41:40,399
unrest and trouble brewing and those

4158
02:41:47,750 --> 02:41:44,479
flying saucers may be just a sign

4159
02:41:50,950 --> 02:41:47,760
that if peace doesn't come it will be

4160
02:41:53,750 --> 02:41:50,960
the end of some so repent today you're

4161
02:41:57,269 --> 02:41:53,760
running out of time

4162
02:42:00,070 --> 02:41:57,279
when you see a saucer fly like a comet

4163
02:42:02,710 --> 02:42:00,080
through the sky you should realize the

4164
02:42:05,910 --> 02:42:02,720
price you'll have to pay

4165
02:42:08,790 --> 02:42:05,920
you'd better pray to the lord when you

4166
02:42:12,490 --> 02:42:08,800
see those flying saucers it may be the